IMHO multicast is a killer app, maybe THE killer app, for BLECs, as it conserves sparse bandwidth, fits well with the ethernet LANs typically used with BLECs for the "last mile," and as multicast peering is fairly straightfoward in the BLEC scenario. BLEC multicast also offers interesting opportunities for advertisers, as ads can target specific clusters of buidlings. We have convinced at least one BLEC of these advantages; others on NANOG should feel free to contact me off list for assistance in setting up multicast. Regards Marshall Eubanks Multicast Technologies, Inc. 10301 Democracy Lane, Suite 410 Fairfax, Virginia 22030 Phone : 703-293-9624 Fax : 703-293-9609 e-mail : tme@on-the-i.com http://www.on-the-i.com Test your network for multicast : http://www.multicasttech.com/mt/ Check the status of multicast in real time : http://www.multicasttech.com/status/index.html

The wierd thing here is that Williams doesn't have an overabundance of peering either. They had been SBC's primary IP transit provider for their DSL product, but rumor has it that SBC has selected other providers to replace them. Perhaps Williams has massive transit contracts of their own,

and they are trying to cut their losses? Reselling transit for $50/meg is better than not reselling it at all.

I doubt Cogent's long term plans are dependent on Williams' firesale transit

pricing.

- Daniel Golding

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-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Vincent J. Bono Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 10:03 PM To: David U. Cc: Nanog List Subject: Re: Cogent Communications Info

Just to test them out we ordered their "private line" service (rather than

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the transit product) where it is $10/meg point to point, i.e. 100Mbps cross country is $1,000 per end per month. Its a tunneled IP product with an ATM infrastructure.

They are already 90 days overdue and show no signs of delivery anytime soon.

They are heavily involved with Williams for the ATM backbone and I know that Williams is selling IP transit to big telecom accounts for as little as $50/meg. Since they don't seem to have a lot of peering possibly they are

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filling in the gaps with Williams transit and coming up with a skewed cost

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model?

-Vincent

----- Original Message ----- From: "David U." <davidu@everydns.net> To: "Nanog List" <nanog@merit.edu> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 9:40 PM Subject: Cogent Communications Info

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I have been reading about Cogent Communications recently and

was wondering how

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they can possibly offer 100mbps for $3000 ($1000 if you are an end-user,

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service provider). It just seems too good to be true and we know how that goes...

Does anyone on NANOG have experience with them?

Thoughts?

For those who don't know: Cogent offers 100 mbps at $3000 to service

not a provider

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or 1000gbps for $20,000. http://www.cogentco.com has some info but not

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much.

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thanks, -davidu

Marshall Eubanks tme@21rst-century.com