RE: World Trade Center attack
I'm currently experiencing problems getting through to friends/family in NYC from London. Anybody else having the same issues ... ? Chuck Youse -----Original Message----- From: Greg Pendergrass [mailto:greg@band-x.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:15 PM To: 'Nanog@Merit. Edu' Subject: World Trade Center attack Both towers of the World Trade Center are burning after planes flew into them in an apparent suicide attack. Many people are certainly dead. I don't give a damn what network disruption this causes, but please say a prayer for those killed. Greg Pendergrass
Authorities are currently recommending the use of email - although UUNET apparently has cross-atlantic circuits down. c. On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Youse, Chuck wrote:
I'm currently experiencing problems getting through to friends/family in NYC from London.
Anybody else having the same issues ... ?
Chuck Youse
-----Original Message----- From: Greg Pendergrass [mailto:greg@band-x.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:15 PM To: 'Nanog@Merit. Edu' Subject: World Trade Center attack
Both towers of the World Trade Center are burning after planes flew into them in an apparent suicide attack. Many people are certainly dead. I don't give a damn what network disruption this causes, but please say a prayer for those killed.
Greg Pendergrass
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On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:38:19 -0400 (EDT) Gwendolynn ferch Elydyr <gwen@reptiles.org> wrote:
Authorities are currently recommending the use of email - although UUNET apparently has cross-atlantic circuits down.
how close is the site of the trade center to 60 Hudson? i've looked at my map of NYC, and it could be pretty close, or could be a little ways away. there is a good chance that any fiber running past the site is toast, and of course, the odds of getting a connection using the local PSTN in Manhattan are essentially zero right now. richard -- Richard Welty Averill Park Networking rwelty@averillpark.net 518-573-7592
how close is the site of the trade center to 60 Hudson? i've looked at my map of NYC, and it could be pretty close, or could be a little ways away.
about half a mile or so north.
there is a good chance that any fiber running past the site is toast, and of course, the odds of getting a connection using the local PSTN in Manhattan are essentially zero right now.
in my experience so far, the internet is slow in places, but still okay. does anyone remember using irc during the gulf war? -- |-----< "CODE WARRIOR" >-----| codewarrior@daemon.org * "ah! i see you have the internet twofsonet@graffiti.com (Andrew Brown) that goes *ping*!" andrew@crossbar.com * "information is power -- share the wealth."
FWIW, I'm getting the voice-telco equivalent of an ICMP administratively-prohibited when trying to place voice calls from San Francisco to Moscow on AT&T LD. I'm curious whether this is a generalized policy or whether I'm just encountering a specific failure with a mis-matched error message. -Bill
Richard Welty wrote (on Sep 11):
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:38:19 -0400 (EDT) Gwendolynn ferch Elydyr <gwen@reptiles.org> wrote:
Authorities are currently recommending the use of email - although UUNET apparently has cross-atlantic circuits down.
how close is the site of the trade center to 60 Hudson? i've looked at my map of NYC, and it could be pretty close, or could be a little ways away.
It's 6 to 10 blocks north-ish. It's about 50 yards outside the security/ they-won't-let-you-closer cordon. Chris. -- == chris.luke@group.easynet.net T: +44 20 7900 4444 == Group Network Manager for Easynet Group PLC F: +44 845 333 0122
A large fairly important Internet Building, 25 Broadway, is only about 10 or so blocks from WTC. They are on genny power now, and perhaps were even evacuated. Our stuff is still up there, tho. On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Richard Welty wrote:
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:38:19 -0400 (EDT) Gwendolynn ferch Elydyr <gwen@reptiles.org> wrote:
Authorities are currently recommending the use of email - although UUNET apparently has cross-atlantic circuits down.
how close is the site of the trade center to 60 Hudson? i've looked at my map of NYC, and it could be pretty close, or could be a little ways away.
there is a good chance that any fiber running past the site is toast, and of course, the odds of getting a connection using the local PSTN in Manhattan are essentially zero right now.
richard -- Richard Welty Averill Park Networking rwelty@averillpark.net 518-573-7592
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25 broadway, 60 hudson, and 111 8th ave are the major telecom hotels in the NYC area. From what I have been able to determine, all are uneffected. - Daniel Golding Sockeye Networks. -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Richard Welty Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:08 AM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re[2]: World Trade Center attack On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:38:19 -0400 (EDT) Gwendolynn ferch Elydyr <gwen@reptiles.org> wrote:
Authorities are currently recommending the use of email - although UUNET apparently has cross-atlantic circuits down.
how close is the site of the trade center to 60 Hudson? i've looked at my map of NYC, and it could be pretty close, or could be a little ways away. there is a good chance that any fiber running past the site is toast, and of course, the odds of getting a connection using the local PSTN in Manhattan are essentially zero right now. richard -- Richard Welty Averill Park Networking rwelty@averillpark.net 518-573-7592
At PM 01:39 09/11/01, Daniel Golding wrote:
25 broadway, 60 hudson, and 111 8th ave are the major telecom hotels in the NYC area. From what I have been able to determine, all are uneffected.
TELEHOUSE 25 Broadway is unaffected. We haven't lost the commercial power and our staffs are on site taking care of customers. We'll have our techs on site around the clock as usual. --akio ----------------------------------- Akio Sugeno Chairman of NYIIX/LAIIX/6IIX Voice: 718-355-2509, Fax: 718-355-2517
all PSTN lines are collapsed due to high traffic ! I'm in VA and I'm unable to call DC ! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * THE DILBERT FUTURE * * Thriving on Stupidity in the 21st Century * ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Internet capacity will increase indefinitely to keep up with the egos of the people using it" On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Youse, Chuck wrote:
I'm currently experiencing problems getting through to friends/family in NYC from London.
Anybody else having the same issues ... ?
Chuck Youse
-----Original Message----- From: Greg Pendergrass [mailto:greg@band-x.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:15 PM To: 'Nanog@Merit. Edu' Subject: World Trade Center attack
Both towers of the World Trade Center are burning after planes flew into them in an apparent suicide attack. Many people are certainly dead. I don't give a damn what network disruption this causes, but please say a prayer for those killed.
Greg Pendergrass
----- Original Message ----- From: "Youse, Chuck" <Chuck.Youse@ebone.com> Subject: RE: World Trade Center attack Boston metro phone circuits are pretty well jammed up ... we've been unable to call out via verizon and Sprint (fast busy) but incoming calls are coming through. -travis
I'm currently experiencing problems getting through to friends/family in
NYC
from London.
Anybody else having the same issues ... ?
Chuck Youse
Cleveland Hopkins has a Boeing 767 in a secure area that is a suspect hijacked plane and possibly has a bomb on it (rumor - from Mayor White). Additionally, there is another circling 767 over Toledo, OH, apparently headed for Chicago. Police are going from door-to-door "recommending" that people go home, and Mayor White has issued a partial evacuation order from Cleveland. Interstates and Highways in and out of the cities are closed. Also, he says that the plane that was downed near Pittsburgh was shot down intentionally, and was headed for DC. Cell phones on the Nextel and Sprint network do not function at this time over here. -------------------------------- Jake Baillie <jake@marinar.com> Senior Network Engineer Marinar 270 E. Main St. Painesville, OH 44077 Phn: 440-354-1458 Mbl: 440-742-0341 Fax: 801-340-4485
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Jake Baillie wrote:
Cleveland Hopkins has a Boeing 767 in a secure area that is a suspect hijacked plane and possibly has a bomb on it (rumor - from Mayor White).
I left the downtown area for unrelated reasons, but I can confirm this. As far as I know, the hijacked Delta plane is still sitting at Hopinks International. There are several smaller airports in the area - Burke Lakefront and Lost Nation (municipal) and the Cuyahoga County Airport in suburban Richmond Heights. I'm assuming they're closed but don't know what security measures are in place. Burke is downtown. Lost Nation is 20 minutes east of the city.
Police are going from door-to-door "recommending" that people go home, and Mayor White has issued a partial evacuation order from Cleveland. Interstates and Highways in and out of the cities are closed.
Governor Taft has declared that all non-essential personnel should go home, as has Hizzoner. To bring this on-topic, Tower City, Key Center (Key Bank's HQ), and the former corporate HQ of BP Amoco were evacuated early. Tower City houses a telco hotel, and the adjacent Skylight Office Tower houses the Cleveland offices and several studios of broadcasting company Clear Channel Communications. Radio is alive and well here. In fact, I'm listening to live news over Clear Channel's 50-kilowatt AM station, which is being simulcast on all of their Cleveland- and Akron-area radio stations. Not all of their stations are at Tower City -- one of them may still be down on Lakeside Avenue, and one of them is out in the valley -- so I imagine staying on the air wasn't a big deal for them.
Cell phones on the Nextel and Sprint network do not function at this time over here.
I'm in Painesville now, as Jake is. NorthCoast PCS, a local carrier, is up and running. I don't have an Alltel, Cingular or AT&T phone, and I don't have access to my Verizon Wireless phone. (That covers all of the cell companies that cover Cleveland.) Ameritech's network seems to be up. I'm dialed into NACS.NET, one of the large locals here, with no problem. I imagine the other Cleveland ISPs are probably ok too. Haven't turned on the TV yet. IMHO we're lucky.
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http://www.cleveland.com/focuson/news/index.ssf?/news/more/ap/09newhijack11. html By PAUL SINGER Associated Press Writer 9/11/01 CLEVELAND (AP) - A Delta flight from Boston was forced to land Tuesday at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport because of fears it had been hijacked, city officials said. Although authorities had been worried that there might be a bomb on board, no explosives were found. The Federal Aviation Administration had been informed at 9:45 a.m. of a possible hijacking of a plane headed for Cleveland, said FBI spokesman Mark Bullock. Flight 1989 to Los Angeles was not hijacked but was grounded by Delta because it was in the same flight pattern as a plane that was hijacked and struck the World Trade Center in New York, Bullock said. The Delta plane landed in Cleveland about 10:45 a.m. Tuesday with 78 passengers aboard, airport officials said. FBI spokesman Bob Hawk said that since the Delta plane left Boston about the same time as one of the hijacked planes, passengers were being interviewed to see if they saw anything unusual Tuesday morning. After the plane landed, the passengers were evacuated and the plane was searched for about three hours, airport officials said. The airport was closed and bomb-sniffing dogs were brought to baggage pickup areas. "There was no bomb, and no hijacking," White said Tuesday afternoon. "The measures that were taken were taken as precautionary measures." ========================================================================== Eric Germann CCTec ekgermann@cctec.com Van Wert OH 45801 http://www.cctec.com Ph: 419 968 2640 Fax: 603 825 5893 "It is so easy to miss pretty trivial solutions to problems deemed complicated. The goal of a scientist is to find an interesting problem, and live off it for a while. The goal of an engineer is to evade interesting problems :)" -- Vadim Antonov <avg@kotovnik.com> on NANOG
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Steven J. Sobol Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 6:21 PM To: Jake Baillie Cc: Travis Pugh; Youse, Chuck; 'Nanog@Merit. Edu' Subject: Re: World Trade Center attack
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Jake Baillie wrote:
Cleveland Hopkins has a Boeing 767 in a secure area that is a suspect hijacked plane and possibly has a bomb on it (rumor - from Mayor White).
I left the downtown area for unrelated reasons, but I can confirm this. As far as I know, the hijacked Delta plane is still sitting at Hopinks International.
There are several smaller airports in the area - Burke Lakefront and Lost Nation (municipal) and the Cuyahoga County Airport in suburban Richmond Heights. I'm assuming they're closed but don't know what security measures are in place.
Burke is downtown. Lost Nation is 20 minutes east of the city.
Police are going from door-to-door "recommending" that people go home, and Mayor White has issued a partial evacuation order from Cleveland. Interstates and Highways in and out of the cities are closed.
Governor Taft has declared that all non-essential personnel should go home, as has Hizzoner.
To bring this on-topic, Tower City, Key Center (Key Bank's HQ), and the former corporate HQ of BP Amoco were evacuated early. Tower City houses a telco hotel, and the adjacent Skylight Office Tower houses the Cleveland offices and several studios of broadcasting company Clear Channel Communications.
Radio is alive and well here. In fact, I'm listening to live news over Clear Channel's 50-kilowatt AM station, which is being simulcast on all of their Cleveland- and Akron-area radio stations. Not all of their stations are at Tower City -- one of them may still be down on Lakeside Avenue, and one of them is out in the valley -- so I imagine staying on the air wasn't a big deal for them.
Cell phones on the Nextel and Sprint network do not function at this time over here.
I'm in Painesville now, as Jake is. NorthCoast PCS, a local carrier, is up and running. I don't have an Alltel, Cingular or AT&T phone, and I don't have access to my Verizon Wireless phone. (That covers all of the cell companies that cover Cleveland.) Ameritech's network seems to be up. I'm dialed into NACS.NET, one of the large locals here, with no problem. I imagine the other Cleveland ISPs are probably ok too. Haven't turned on the TV yet.
IMHO we're lucky.
-------------------------------- Jake Baillie <jake@marinar.com> Senior Network Engineer Marinar 270 E. Main St. Painesville, OH 44077
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On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Eric Germann wrote:
The airport was closed and bomb-sniffing dogs were brought to baggage pickup areas.
"There was no bomb, and no hijacking," White said Tuesday afternoon. "The measures that were taken were taken as precautionary measures."
Cool. I've never been happier to be wrong.... :) Like I said - we were lucky. -- JustThe.net LLC - Steve "Web Dude" Sobol, CTO - sjsobol@JustThe.net Donate a portion of your monthly ISP bill to your favorite charity or non-profit organization! E-mail me for details.
The phone systems will be overloaded at best. I would expect it to only get worse as the day goes on. On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 04:22:27PM +0200, Youse, Chuck wrote:
I'm currently experiencing problems getting through to friends/family in NYC from London.
Anybody else having the same issues ... ?
Chuck Youse
Phone lines are all tied up, but AIM and email are working great for me. --- "Youse, Chuck" <Chuck.Youse@ebone.com> wrote:
I'm currently experiencing problems getting through to friends/family in NYC from London.
Anybody else having the same issues ... ?
Chuck Youse
-----Original Message----- From: Greg Pendergrass [mailto:greg@band-x.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:15 PM To: 'Nanog@Merit. Edu' Subject: World Trade Center attack
Both towers of the World Trade Center are burning after planes flew into them in an apparent suicide attack. Many people are certainly dead. I don't give a damn what network disruption this causes, but please say a prayer for those killed.
Greg Pendergrass
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