NetworkSolutions - Was: Re: v6 gluelessness
Will somebody please, please PLEASE let me know what magic process for networksolutions are to get AAAA glue added, am on the 72nd hour of the phone game where questions are bouncing between: - What is a glue record? and - What is an AAAA record? $ dig +norec AAAA @a.gtld-servers.net. dot.ep.net | grep AAAA ; <<>> DiG 9.2.1 <<>> +norec AAAA @a.gtld-servers.net. dot.ep.net ;dot.ep.net. IN AAAA dot.ep.net. 172800 IN AAAA 2001:478:6:0:230:48ff:fe22:6a29 dot.ep.net. 172800 IN AAAA 2001:478:6:0:230:48ff:fe22:6a29 $ whois -h whois.networksolutions.com ep.net | grep Record Record expires on 13-Jun-2012. Record created on 09-Dec-1994. Bill has one, I want one! </sulk> Seriously though, would really appreciate a contact there who knows what they are doing. Dave. bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com wrote:
On Sat, Jan 19, 2008 at 11:08:54AM -0800, David Conrad wrote:
Bill,
On Jan 19, 2008, at 10:52 AM, bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com wrote:
its been this way since at least 2003, when there was an effort to get som servers changed, when ICANN first allowed AAAA records into the root zone. Some requests are over four years old. :(
The oldest root management request IANA has in its queue is about 1 year old and is unrelated to glue policy. The oldest glue related request (adding a AAAA to f.root-servers.net) is 10 months old and will be processed (along with the 3 other outstanding root server requests) on/around 4 Feb after the ICANN board mandated public notification period.
If you have reason to believe there are older outstanding requests, please let me know (preferably privately as I would imagine this isn't particularly in the charter of NANOG's mailing list).
ah... a bit of digging shows that the IANA (prior to your tenure) closed the request for unspecified reasons. I suspect that it was due to the then unstated policy that ccTLD holders control the glue of the nameservers publishing their data.
--bill
Thanks, -drc
David Freedman wrote:
Will somebody please, please PLEASE let me know what magic process for networksolutions are to get AAAA glue added, am on the 72nd hour of the phone game where questions are bouncing between:
as far as i have been able to sort this o netsol understands aaaa glue o the registrar has to push it to the netsol registry o many registrars do not support, e.g. opensrs. so hundreds of end-user registrars can not do aaaa glue. ugly ugly ugly. tucows, wake up and smell the coffee! randy
On Jan 23, 2008 2:08 PM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
David Freedman wrote:
Will somebody please, please PLEASE let me know what magic process for networksolutions are to get AAAA glue added, am on the 72nd hour of the phone game where questions are bouncing between:
as far as i have been able to sort this
o netsol understands aaaa glue
REGISTRY part of NetSol here, I think David means the REGISTRAR part no?
ugly ugly ugly. tucows, wake up and smell the coffee!
yes... :( also Joker, and everyone else :(
o netsol understands aaaa glue REGISTRY part of NetSol here, I think David means the REGISTRAR part no?
wow! people actually pay those prices?
ugly ugly ugly. tucows, wake up and smell the coffee! yes... :( also Joker, and everyone else :(
how do we move this forward across the board? this is going to be a serious impediment. randy
In a message written on Thu, Jan 24, 2008 at 08:15:41AM +0900, Randy Bush wrote:
ugly ugly ugly. tucows, wake up and smell the coffee! yes... :( also Joker, and everyone else :(
how do we move this forward across the board? this is going to be a serious impediment.
It's a pitty ICANN can't say "you accept IPv6 addresses or you can't run xyz, pass it on." -- Leo Bicknell - bicknell@ufp.org - CCIE 3440 PGP keys at http://www.ufp.org/~bicknell/ Read TMBG List - tmbg-list-request@tmbg.org, www.tmbg.org
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008, Christopher Morrow wrote:
o netsol understands aaaa glue
REGISTRY part of NetSol here, I think David means the REGISTRAR part no?
To my knowledge, there is no registry part of Network Solutions. Network Solutions and VeriSign are two distinct companies with distinct roles re: the current topic. VeriSign runs the .com/.net registry and Network Solutions is an ICANN-accredited registrar that registers .com/.net domain names. As I wrote in a previous post in this thread, VeriSign has supported AAAA RRs in the .com/.net registry for over five years (since May, 2002). Individual registrars may or may not support provisioning AAAA RRs for their customers. Network Solutions appears to have some level of support for AAAA RRs because I am aware of domain names registered through them that have AAAA RRs. If one wanted to create a list of all registrars supporting IPv6 for .com/.net domain names, and if one had a copy of the .com and .net zones (which are freely available; see http://www.verisign.com/information-services/naming-services/com-net-registr...), one could look find all AAAA RRs and check which registrars registered their parent domains via the VeriSign Whois server (whois.verisign-grs.com). Matt
On Jan 24, 2008 10:55 AM, Matt Larson <mlarson@verisign.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008, Christopher Morrow wrote:
o netsol understands aaaa glue
REGISTRY part of NetSol here, I think David means the REGISTRAR part no?
To my knowledge, there is no registry part of Network Solutions. Network Solutions and VeriSign are two distinct companies with distinct roles re: the current topic.
grumble-grumble... apologies I got my names confused (and history confused). My point here was that perhaps calling NetSol might not have been the right place to call, or perhaps other people think of Netsol/Verisign in the "Xerox of registration" way that apparently I do? (or did)
As I wrote in a previous post in this thread, VeriSign has supported AAAA RRs in the .com/.net registry for over five years (since May, 2002). Individual registrars may or may not support provisioning AAAA RRs for their customers.
Is it in the best interest of Verisign to push back on registrars in some way to support AAAA in their side of the problem? Is this an ICANN problem to pursue instead?
Network Solutions appears to have some level of support for AAAA RRs because I am aware of domain names registered through them that have AAAA RRs.
maybe these are there from other folks doing the 72+hr dance on the phone? Probably we can't tell which is a shame. -Chris
Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> writes:
Network Solutions appears to have some level of support for AAAA RRs because I am aware of domain names registered through them that have AAAA RRs.
it is pushing AAAA glue to the parent zone, com et alia, that is the problem.
Why don't you just put your DNS servers in some other TLD and forget about the problems of adding AAAA glue records to .net/.com? The name of your DNS server can't really be that important. .nz look like a great alternative TLD for IPv6 DNS servers at the moment: http://dnc.org.nz/content/srs_registrar_list.html Bjørn
Bjørn Mork wrote:
Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> writes:
Network Solutions appears to have some level of support for AAAA RRs because I am aware of domain names registered through them that have AAAA RRs. it is pushing AAAA glue to the parent zone, com et alia, that is the problem.
Why don't you just put your DNS servers in some other TLD and forget about the problems of adding AAAA glue records to .net/.com? The name of your DNS server can't really be that important.
Oh yes it is, as it is another dependency and another two/three lookups. Lets say example.com uses ns.example.nz: query ., .com, example.com, .nz, example.nz, ns.example.nz (though maybe the latter is hinted as glue, though with DNSSEC that doesn't really help), www.example.com instead of: query ., .com, example.com, www.example.com Quite a bit quicker, and also less parts that can fail. Lets see, a) IPv6 AAAA glue, or b) no IPv6 AAA glue and having quicker resolution and less dependencies, let me think for a second, take a small guess what I take (b). Also, if you would look at http://www.sixxs.net/faq/dns/?faq=ipv6glue it is somewhat easy to find an alternative registrar which can do the glue for you. Greets, Jeroen
Network Solutions appears to have some level of support for AAAA RRs because I am aware of domain names registered through them that have AAAA RRs. it is pushing AAAA glue to the parent zone, com et alia, that is the problem. Why don't you just put your DNS servers in some other TLD and forget about the problems of adding AAAA glue records to .net/.com?
because the are O(10^4) zones on it. next bright idea? randy
Why don't you just put your DNS servers in some other TLD and forget about the problems of adding AAAA glue records to .net/.com? The name of your DNS server can't really be that important.
Because it would mean changing the nameservers for $stupid amounts of customer domains for which we are authoritive. Dave.
Randy Bush wrote:
David Freedman wrote:
Will somebody please, please PLEASE let me know what magic process for networksolutions are to get AAAA glue added, am on the 72nd hour of the phone game where questions are bouncing between:
as far as i have been able to sort this
o netsol understands aaaa glue
o the registrar has to push it to the netsol registry
And what if NetSol is your registrar that needs to add the glue!? Indeed, welcome to the 72 hour+++ phone loop with clueless folks who don't understand what you are talking about. Apparently, around 2003 somewhere there was clueful and when you mailed dnssupport@networksolutions.com they could add the relevant entries manually. Last couple of times I tried that though, the person who answered clearly didn't understand the concept of glue, let alone AAAA's or what IPv6 or even IP remotely was... As the roots will have AAAA glue starting next month, but for .org it is apparently impossible to get it added though, I am not going to spend time to get through to them though. We can only pray that they finally start getting a clue somehow and add it to their webinterface so that we don't have to go through it manually. The real solution seems to be: swapping to Enom. Greets, Jeroen
Jeroen has made a start: http://www.sixxs.net/faq/dns/?faq=ipv6glue ------------------------------------------------ David Freedman Group Network Engineering Claranet Limited http://www.clara.net -----Original Message----- From: Randy Bush [mailto:randy@psg.com] Sent: Thu 1/24/2008 00:42 To: Jeroen Massar Cc: David Freedman; nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: NetworkSolutions - Was: Re: v6 gluelessness
And what if NetSol is your registrar that needs to add the glue!?
it hurts when i hit my head with a hammer then stop hitting your head with a hammer time to collect a list of registrars who do this well and easily. randy
Two years ago Pablo and I did a survey to check the advance of IPv6 implementations on Latin-American ccTLDs, you can find the doc here: http://www.lac.ipv6tf.org/docs/Survey_ccTLD_LACv2.pdf This is not based on the user experience but on a survey that the ccTLD managers answered. We asked not only if their registration software was ready but also if their Whois/Web and DNS servers themselves were IPv6 reachable. (at that time some ccTLDs's registration application did support AAAA glue records but their DNS servers were IPv4 only). Roque On Jan 23, 2008, at 10:47 PM, David Freedman wrote:
Jeroen has made a start:
http://www.sixxs.net/faq/dns/?faq=ipv6glue
------------------------------------------------ David Freedman Group Network Engineering Claranet Limited http://www.clara.net
-----Original Message----- From: Randy Bush [mailto:randy@psg.com] Sent: Thu 1/24/2008 00:42 To: Jeroen Massar Cc: David Freedman; nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: NetworkSolutions - Was: Re: v6 gluelessness
And what if NetSol is your registrar that needs to add the glue!?
it hurts when i hit my head with a hammer then stop hitting your head with a hammer
time to collect a list of registrars who do this well and easily.
randy
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