Re: MCI/Worldcom fiber cut in NY?
At 11:50 AM 9/17/99 -0400, Marc Hurst wrote:
From what I've heard it's caused by a flooded CO, we have quite a few T1s affected by this.
Can't anyone build a CO so its bullet proof? Geez...
Bullet proof, YES. Waterproof, Doubtful.
John Fraizer wrote:
Bullet proof, YES. Waterproof, Doubtful.
Sure you can, make it so that it's at least several hundred feet above sea level, and not in a flood plain. Alec -- Alec H. Peterson - ahp@hilander.com Staff Scientist CenterGate Research Group - http://www.centergate.com "Technology so advanced, even _we_ don't understand it!"
Bullet proof, YES. Waterproof, Doubtful.
Sure you can, make it so that it's at least several hundred feet above sea level, and not in a flood plain.
ah, but then it would be in danger of airplanes crashing into it. -- [ Jim Mercer Reptilian Research jim@reptiles.org +1 416 410-5633 ] [ The telephone, for those of you who have forgotten, was a commonly used ] [ communications technology in the days before electronic mail. ] [ They're still easy to find in most large cities. -- Nathaniel Borenstein ]
### On Fri, 17 Sep 1999 20:00:00 -0600, "Alec H. Peterson" ### <ahp@hilander.com> casually decided to expound upon John Fraizer ### <John.Fraizer@EnterZone.Net> the following thoughts about "Re: ### MCI/Worldcom fiber cut in NY?": AHP> John Fraizer wrote: AHP> > AHP> > Bullet proof, YES. Waterproof, Doubtful. AHP> AHP> Sure you can, make it so that it's at least several hundred feet above sea AHP> level, and not in a flood plain. Or in a submarine... great way for the gov't to earn extra money by converting its SSBNs. Pros include: * High survivability even in the midst of tactical nuclear strikes * Totally indepedent power source that will last years without the need to replenish fuel... DC power generally available * Heightened security... the facility is always at DEFCON 2 * Excellent heat dissipation * 24x7 on-site NOC Cons include: * Cramped quarters... routers must fit inside either 21" torpedo tubes or SLBM silos * All equipment must comply with increased noise abatement rules * Access to the facility accomplished via helo or underwater insertion through the diving trunk. * Potential for your equipment to be "accidently" ejected * Very slow low bandwidth circuit availability via ELF * On-site staff generally very grumpy after their 3 month "shift" -- /*====================[ Jake Khuon <khuon@GCtr.Net> ]======================+ | Network Statistics Engineer, NSM/Net-Eng /~ |2 () |\| ~|~ | @ |2 | | VOX: +1(408)543-4828 Fax: +1(408)543-4806 _/~ G L & B A L C E N T E R | +===============[ 141 Caspian Court, Sunnyvale, CA 94089 ]===============*/
OK. So I suggest Twentynine Palms, CA for the next exchange. At 08:00 PM 9/17/99 -0600, Alec H. Peterson wrote:
John Fraizer wrote:
Bullet proof, YES. Waterproof, Doubtful.
Sure you can, make it so that it's at least several hundred feet above sea level, and not in a flood plain.
Alec
-- Alec H. Peterson - ahp@hilander.com Staff Scientist CenterGate Research Group - http://www.centergate.com "Technology so advanced, even _we_ don't understand it!"
Or Mount Washington. If the next is exchange is located in a cold enough location (naturally) we don't even have to worry about HVAC redundancy. Deepak Jain On Sat, 18 Sep 1999, John Fraizer wrote:
OK. So I suggest Twentynine Palms, CA for the next exchange.
At 08:00 PM 9/17/99 -0600, Alec H. Peterson wrote:
John Fraizer wrote:
Bullet proof, YES. Waterproof, Doubtful.
Sure you can, make it so that it's at least several hundred feet above sea level, and not in a flood plain.
Alec
-- Alec H. Peterson - ahp@hilander.com Staff Scientist CenterGate Research Group - http://www.centergate.com "Technology so advanced, even _we_ don't understand it!"
On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Deepak Jain wrote:
Or Mount Washington.
If the next is exchange is located in a cold enough location (naturally) we don't even have to worry about HVAC redundancy.
Uh, why? I have built many datacenters, you need redundancy in your HVAC systems even if it is 30^ outside. -- Check out the new telecom tools site http://www.robotics.net/clec/tools
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Deepak Jain
Joke - Forgot the smiley face. Picture a room with open windows at the top of a mountain. You just need wall fans. I don't want to know the cost of lighting up a mountain top. Deepak Jain AiNET On Sat, 18 Sep 1999, Nathan Stratton wrote:
On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Deepak Jain wrote:
Or Mount Washington.
If the next is exchange is located in a cold enough location (naturally) we don't even have to worry about HVAC redundancy.
Uh, why? I have built many datacenters, you need redundancy in your HVAC systems even if it is 30^ outside.
-- Check out the new telecom tools site http://www.robotics.net/clec/tools
<> Nathan Stratton Telecom & ISP Consulting http://www.robotics.net nathan@robotics.net
Deepak Jain
Couldn't help adding some "dealing with cold" stories to this thread. Being in Montana you learn something about cold. 1) The state had a computer installation in the basement of the national guard armory. The COOLING system died a few years back and they had to shut down the operation for something like 2-3 days (not sure the exact duration) while they got someone in to fix it. The funny part: This occured the same week as our winter "cold week" which generally has a HIGH of about -10F. Yes, thats 10 degreees BELOW zero. You'd think they could have figured some way to get some OUTSIDE air in so they could turn the thing back on. 2) We cool our (ISP) installation during the summer with building AC (Small installation, not many btu's). The problem occurs during the Winter when they turn off the AC and the heat on and the BTU's generated in the room added to the heat causes a heat problem. We fixed this a few years back by adding a fan which brings in fresh air from outside. I'm not sure what we were thinking but we initially DIDN'T have a thermostat on it - it ran all the time. I decided it was time to add one when I came in one day and the computer room was cold enough I could see my breath in the room (close to if not freezing). 3) Not exactly related but quite a few years ago I was doing some work for a radio station in Central Utah. They had a mountaintop transmitter site (10,000 ft or so). We had to specially design the cooling system for the transmitter to increase airflow past the transmitting tubes, etc. because the air was so thin. At 10,000 feet the same "High CFM" fans which work wonders at 5,000 feet just don't move enough air through the stuff. -forrestc@imach.com On Sat, 18 Sep 1999, Deepak Jain wrote:
Joke - Forgot the smiley face. Picture a room with open windows at the top of a mountain. You just need wall fans.
I don't want to know the cost of lighting up a mountain top.
Deepak Jain AiNET
On Sat, 18 Sep 1999, Nathan Stratton wrote:
On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Deepak Jain wrote:
Or Mount Washington.
If the next is exchange is located in a cold enough location (naturally) we don't even have to worry about HVAC redundancy.
Uh, why? I have built many datacenters, you need redundancy in your HVAC systems even if it is 30^ outside.
-- Check out the new telecom tools site http://www.robotics.net/clec/tools
<> Nathan Stratton Telecom & ISP Consulting http://www.robotics.net nathan@robotics.net
Deepak Jain
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Actually, it's quite easy. Rochelle Park, NJ: The northern LATA 224 Tandem. It's currently under water; so are the generators and batteries. Customers of the Class 5 functiono of this office have NO DIALTONE; not even battery on the line. Class Features of the entire northern portion of NJ are out; you can't call out, but you can call in. AIN features are out. Dozens of Bell Atl's OC48 SONETs are out; over 5,000 DS1's that go through that a few DACS' in that building are gone. In the same building is AT&T Wireless, and AT&T LD; both are completely gone. AT&T Wireless is dead in North NJ. If the generators and batteries had been on the second floor, rather than basement and sub-basement, they would still be up now. Now, they are replacing the entire battery plant and generators. I may have some pictures of it later. My office (thank god not my data center) lost power this morning at 8am, and we are on generators (http://www.nac.net/photos/floyd/MVC-004F.JPG); GPU Energy says "ehh, maybe Monday or so." The funny part is that the building our data center is in took > 4,000 gallons of water. The kicker? The water came into the building through the 2,500 amp 480volt conduits. We didn't lose power, not even for 100 ms. I'll have pictures of that shortly also. On Sat, 18 Sep 1999, John Fraizer wrote:
At 11:50 AM 9/17/99 -0400, Marc Hurst wrote:
From what I've heard it's caused by a flooded CO, we have quite a few T1s affected by this.
Can't anyone build a CO so its bullet proof? Geez...
Bullet proof, YES. Waterproof, Doubtful.
On Sat, Sep 18, 1999 at 01:10:14AM -0400, Alex Rubenstein wrote:
Rochelle Park, NJ: The northern LATA 224 Tandem. It's currently under water; so are the generators and batteries. Customers of the Class 5 functiono of this office have NO DIALTONE; not even battery on the line.
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I may have some pictures of it later.
For those interested, pictures can be found at: http://www.latency.net/~asr/rochelle/ Enjoy! -adam
From the pictures, looks like a 10 story building stuck in the middle of
older 1 and 2 story homes. Haven't they heard of zoning out there? If you build the drains for residential, and then plunk multi-story offices in the middle, you are bound to have drainage problems! With that many stories, why would anything be under water? Afraid that electricity won't run uphill? Am I in a critical mood this morning.... Adam Rothschild wrote:
For those interested, pictures can be found at:
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