Again, we are applying for more space from ARIN. Some of the questions we got from them range from "please provide a network map and/or customers justification as to why they needed a /24" to "please provide where your POPs are, how many dialups there are in that POP, and how many ports you have in that dialup." I'd love to know if larger places (UU? PSI? MCI? Sprint? etc) have to answer questions like this when they apply for space. I don't want to hear an answer from ARIN, I would like feedback from actual customers of ARIN. Thanks. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Atheism is a non-prophet organization. I route, therefore I am. Alex Rubenstein, alex@nac.net, KC2BUO, ISP/C Charter Member Father of the Network and Head Bottle-Washer Net Access Corporation, 9 Mt. Pleasant Tpk., Denville, NJ 07834 Don't choose a spineless ISP; we have more backbone! http://www.nac.net -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
On Tue, Nov 03, 1998 at 10:28:07PM -0500, alex@nac.net wrote:
Again, we are applying for more space from ARIN.
Some of the questions we got from them range from "please provide a network map and/or customers justification as to why they needed a /24" to "please provide where your POPs are, how many dialups there are in that POP, and how many ports you have in that dialup."
i think this is perfectly reasonable. "please provide where your POPs are" seems a bit extreme, you should have all this information immediately available anyway. right?
I'd love to know if larger places (UU? PSI? MCI? Sprint? etc) have to answer questions like this when they apply for space.
can't speak for those folks, but Verio has been asked the same/similar questions.
I don't want to hear an answer from ARIN, I would like feedback from actual customers of ARIN.
Thanks.
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On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, john heasley wrote:
On Tue, Nov 03, 1998 at 10:28:07PM -0500, alex@nac.net wrote:
Again, we are applying for more space from ARIN.
Some of the questions we got from them range from "please provide a network map and/or customers justification as to why they needed a /24" to "please provide where your POPs are, how many dialups there are in that POP, and how many ports you have in that dialup."
i think this is perfectly reasonable. "please provide where your POPs are" seems a bit extreme, you should have all this information immediately available anyway. right?
Yes, but everytime we apply? I think it's rediculous for them to ask us to break it down by geographical locations.
can't speak for those folks, but Verio has been asked the same/similar questions.
Uh huh. Interesting. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Atheism is a non-prophet organization. I route, therefore I am. Alex Rubenstein, alex@nac.net, KC2BUO, ISP/C Charter Member Father of the Network and Head Bottle-Washer Net Access Corporation, 9 Mt. Pleasant Tpk., Denville, NJ 07834 Don't choose a spineless ISP; we have more backbone! http://www.nac.net -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, john heasley wrote:
On Tue, Nov 03, 1998 at 10:28:07PM -0500, alex@nac.net wrote:
Again, we are applying for more space from ARIN. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Some of the questions we got from them range from "please provide a network map and/or customers justification as to why they needed a /24" to "please provide where your POPs are, how many dialups there are in that POP, and how many ports you have in that dialup."
POPs are" seems a bit extreme, you should have all this information immediately available anyway. right?
Not only that, but he's done this before. Assuming they want similar information to the last time he applied, it should just be a matter of updating the ARIN isptemplate he used last time such that it's current, and fire it off to ARIN. You do keep copies of these things...right? ---dont't waste your cpu, crack rc5...www.distributed.net team enzo--- Jon Lewis <jlewis@fdt.net> | Spammers will be winnuked or Network Administrator | nestea'd...whatever it takes Florida Digital Turnpike | to get the job done. ______http://inorganic5.fdt.net/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key________
Alex, It happens to all of us... I base this on experience at smaller ISP's and with SBC Internet services. ( Southwestern Bell, Pacific Bell, Nevada Bell, SNET ). Douglas Ring At 10:28 PM 11/3/98 -0500, alex@nac.net wrote:
Again, we are applying for more space from ARIN.
Some of the questions we got from them range from "please provide a network map and/or customers justification as to why they needed a /24" to "please provide where your POPs are, how many dialups there are in that POP, and how many ports you have in that dialup."
I'd love to know if larger places (UU? PSI? MCI? Sprint? etc) have to answer questions like this when they apply for space.
I don't want to hear an answer from ARIN, I would like feedback from actual customers of ARIN.
Thanks.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Atheism is a non-prophet organization. I route, therefore I am. Alex Rubenstein, alex@nac.net, KC2BUO, ISP/C Charter Member Father of the Network and Head Bottle-Washer Net Access Corporation, 9 Mt. Pleasant Tpk., Denville, NJ 07834 Don't choose a spineless ISP; we have more backbone! http://www.nac.net -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
I'd love to know if larger places (UU? PSI? MCI? Sprint? etc) have to answer questions like this when they apply for space. How about @Home? Wish I could just make up wildly expansive business
Yo Alex! On Tue, 3 Nov 1998 alex@nac.net wrote: plans and get ARIN to sign off on it... RGDS GARY --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 2680 Bayshore Pkwy, #202 Mountain View, CA 94043-1009 gem@rellim.com Tel:+1(650)964-1186 Fax:+1(650)964-1176
Yo Alex!
On Tue, 3 Nov 1998 alex@nac.net wrote:
I'd love to know if larger places (UU? PSI? MCI? Sprint? etc) have to answer questions like this when they apply for space. How about @Home? Wish I could just make up wildly expansive business plans and get ARIN to sign off on it...
RGDS GARY
LOL (oh this is a good one) I think you need to take a serious look at the justification that cable companies like @home have to submit for additional space. Then be real careful what you ask for... Ed
Yo Ed! On Wed, 4 Nov 1998, Ed Kern wrote:
On Tue, 3 Nov 1998 alex@nac.net wrote:
I'd love to know if larger places (UU? PSI? MCI? Sprint? etc) have to answer questions like this when they apply for space. How about @Home? Wish I could just make up wildly expansive business plans and get ARIN to sign off on it...
RGDS GARY
LOL (oh this is a good one) I do not remember being amused when I learned of the @home allocation.
I think you need to take a serious look at the justification that cable companies like @home have to submit for additional space. Then be real careful what you ask for...
I think you need to take a serious look at how little of their address space they have really used. This is not funny when I have to kill to allocate /30. Some animals are more equal than others on THIS farm. RGDS GARY --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 2680 Bayshore Pkwy, #202 Mountain View, CA 94043-1009 gem@rellim.com Tel:+1(650)964-1186 Fax:+1(650)964-1176
Hi,
How about @Home? Wish I could just make up wildly expansive business plans and get ARIN to sign off on it...
Sigh. Having @Home show up in these discussions all the time gets boring. ARIN (InterNIC at the time) didn't "sign off" on @Home's request -- @Home was rejected by InterNIC and appealed to the IANA. After justifying the request to the IANA, InterNIC was asked to do the allocation. Note that "wildly expansive business plans" don't (or at least didn't, don't think it has changed) cut it -- @Home had to provide sufficient corroborating evidence to back up their "wildly expansive business plans". Given @Home seems to have lived up to those plans, it would appear the IANA was justified in overriding InterNIC... Regards, -drc
At 22:28 11/3/98 -0500, alex@nac.net wrote:
Again, we are applying for more space from ARIN.
Some of the questions we got from them range from "please provide a network map and/or customers justification as to why they needed a /24" to "please provide where your POPs are, how many dialups there are in that POP, and how many ports you have in that dialup."
I'd love to know if larger places (UU? PSI? MCI? Sprint? etc) have to answer questions like this when they apply for space.
As a cable ISP, my company is required to SWIP each netblock that we use. The name of the netblock corresponds to the POP name. We're applying for space again too, and as a standard procedure, we include utilization statistics for each netblock, and for each POP. We will be asked questions if, for instance, we gave a new assignment for a POP before the last block was not a certain percentage utilized. ************************************************** Andrea Di Lecce (416) 935-5700 Rogers@Home Network Operations 1 Mount Pleasant Road, Toronto, M4Y 2Y5 **************************************************
Yup. alex@nac.net wrote:
Again, we are applying for more space from ARIN.
Some of the questions we got from them range from "please provide a network map and/or customers justification as to why they needed a /24" to "please provide where your POPs are, how many dialups there are in that POP, and how many ports you have in that dialup."
I'd love to know if larger places (UU? PSI? MCI? Sprint? etc) have to answer questions like this when they apply for space.
I don't want to hear an answer from ARIN, I would like feedback from actual customers of ARIN.
Thanks.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Atheism is a non-prophet organization. I route, therefore I am. Alex Rubenstein, alex@nac.net, KC2BUO, ISP/C Charter Member Father of the Network and Head Bottle-Washer Net Access Corporation, 9 Mt. Pleasant Tpk., Denville, NJ 07834 Don't choose a spineless ISP; we have more backbone! http://www.nac.net -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
I don't want to hear an answer from ARIN, I would like feedback from actual customers of ARIN.
We just went through the ringer on it again, and I think ARIN does a pretty good job. All the questions they're asking are pretty standard and they're trying to adhere to, uh, RFC2050(?) in a pretty tight way. Earlier experiences with the InterNic were deadly impossible, depending on who dealt with your request. -- Jason Weisberger Chief Technology Officer SoftAware, Inc. 310/305-0275
At 10:28 PM 11/3/98 -0500, alex@nac.net wrote:
Again, we are applying for more space from ARIN.
Congrats, glad to see you're doing well. (At least I hope your growth indicates you are doing well. :)
Some of the questions we got from them range from "please provide a network map and/or customers justification as to why they needed a /24" to "please provide where your POPs are, how many dialups there are in that POP, and how many ports you have in that dialup."
I'd love to know if larger places (UU? PSI? MCI? Sprint? etc) have to answer questions like this when they apply for space.
I happen to know a reasonably large ISP which has to go through some pretty difficult justification to get more space. You should try a RWHOIS server, it can help make it easier to "justify" stuff for ARIN. (At least that's what some people tell me, I've never set one up myself.)
I don't want to hear an answer from ARIN, I would like feedback from actual customers of ARIN.
I've seen lots of companies jump through some major hoops, and I don't really begrudge ARIN the necessity of making sure the allocations are made ... frugally. But I do wonder why they would ask for geographical information other than to be sure the space is used within "America". (Or is that even a requirement?)
Alex Rubenstein, alex@nac.net, KC2BUO, ISP/C Charter Member
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john heasley -
Jon Lewis -
Richard Irving