RB> Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 05:00:32 +0200 RB> From: Randy Bush RB> i suggest we focus on how to roll out v6 Bingo. Or, I begin to wonder if door #2 might actually have merit: RB> or give up and get massive natting to work well (yuchhh!) For massive NATting to work well, one would need to specify "IP address behind the NAT device". Suddenly, we've invented a variable-length addressing scheme, with 32 bits per level. Under the current model, levels 2+ (where "level" is 1-based) are restricted to a teeny portion of all possible addresses; this could change. Wait... this smells a lot like: 1. OSI addressing; 2. Phone numbers having variable length depending on country code or area code; 3. ASN.1 OID allocation. i.e., we can learn from existing implementations that deal with very similar problems. RB> and not waste our time rearranging the deck chairs [0] or RB> characterizing those with chairs as evil. Quite so, particularly when the deck chairs will put up a fight. Eddy -- Everquick Internet - http://www.everquick.net/ A division of Brotsman & Dreger, Inc. - http://www.brotsman.com/ Bandwidth, consulting, e-commerce, hosting, and network building Phone: +1 785 865 5885 Lawrence and [inter]national Phone: +1 316 794 8922 Wichita ________________________________________________________________________ DO NOT send mail to the following addresses: davidc@brics.com -*- jfconmaapaq@intc.net -*- sam@everquick.net Sending mail to spambait addresses is a great way to get blocked. Ditto for broken OOO autoresponders and foolish AV software backscatter.