Besides, what sort of "dumb SMTP client" did you have in mind? Formmail scripts? Worms? Outlook Express? I can't say I'd miss mail from any of those.

Pot, kettle... Yours seem to have come via a train wreck of mua/mta's

From owner-nanog@merit.edu Fri Sep 30 08:42:11 2005 Delivered-To: nanog-outgoing@trapdoor.merit.edu Delivered-To: nanog@trapdoor.merit.edu Delivered-To: nanog@segue.merit.edu Delivered-To: nanog@nanog.org To: nanog@nanog.org Path: not-for-mail From: abuse@cabal.org.uk (Peter) Newsgroups: newsgate.nanog Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 07:41:26 +0000 (UTC) Organization: cabal.org.uk listgate, Warwickshire, UK Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: dopiaza.cabal.org.uk X-Trace: dopiaza.cabal.org.uk 1128066086 12308 82.71.81.27 (30 Sep 2005 07:41:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dopiaza.cabal.org.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 07:41:26 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Originator: abuse@dopiaza.cabal.org.uk (Peter) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 82.71.81.26 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: news@cabal.org.uk X-Spam-Hammy-Tokens: 0.000-+--H*F:U*abuse, 0.000-+--HX-Complaints-To:sk:usenet@, 0.000-+--H*M:cabal, 0.000-+--H*M:dopiaza, 0.000-+--H*r:news X-Spam-Bayes-Score: 0.0000 X-Spam-Spammy-Tokens: 0.994-8--formmail, 0.993-+--MAIL, 0.954-+--H*r:sk:punt-1., 0.938-+--H*Ad:D*org.uk, 0.927-+--H*Ad:D*uk X-Spam-Score-Description: * 0.1 FORGED_RCVD_HELO Received: contains a forged HELO * -1.3 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% * [score: 0.0000] * -0.7 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list Subject: Re: Weird DNS issues for domains X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 (built Thu, 03 Mar 2005 10:44:12 +0100) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on punt-1.mooli.org.uk) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at merit.edu Sender: owner-nanog@merit.edu

spam and virus rating on outgoing is pointless nobody in their right mind is going to use them.

Path: not-for-mail

I agree, all that nntp stuff is pointless too brandon