I would if they were killed in front of my face when I was watching. It's nice to know you care, though. -----Original Message----- From: Stephane Bortzmeyer [mailto:bortzmeyer@netaktiv.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:28 AM To: Greg Pendergrass Cc: 'Nanog@Merit. Edu' Subject: Re: World Trade Center attack On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 09:14:41AM -0400, Greg Pendergrass <greg@band-x.com> wrote a message of 9 lines which said:
Both towers of the World Trade Center are burning after planes flew into them in an apparent suicide attack. Many people are certainly dead. I don't give a damn what network disruption this causes, but please say a prayer for those killed.
Will you send a message to that mailing list each time innocent people are killed in Palestine, Chechenia, Macedonia, Afghanistan, etc?
Palestine? They just claimed responsibility! On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Greg Pendergrass wrote:
I would if they were killed in front of my face when I was watching. It's nice to know you care, though.
-----Original Message----- From: Stephane Bortzmeyer [mailto:bortzmeyer@netaktiv.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:28 AM To: Greg Pendergrass Cc: 'Nanog@Merit. Edu' Subject: Re: World Trade Center attack
On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 09:14:41AM -0400, Greg Pendergrass <greg@band-x.com> wrote a message of 9 lines which said:
Both towers of the World Trade Center are burning after planes flew into them in an apparent suicide attack. Many people are certainly dead. I don't give a damn what network disruption this causes, but please say a prayer for those killed.
Will you send a message to that mailing list each time innocent people are killed in Palestine, Chechenia, Macedonia, Afghanistan, etc?
--- John Fraizer EnterZone, Inc
Where did you hear that? I've seen it quoted informally by a couple of folks, but haven't seen it from any 'reliable' news source. cheers! On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, John Fraizer wrote:
Palestine? They just claimed responsibility!
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Greg Pendergrass wrote:
I would if they were killed in front of my face when I was watching. It's nice to know you care, though.
-----Original Message----- From: Stephane Bortzmeyer [mailto:bortzmeyer@netaktiv.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:28 AM To: Greg Pendergrass Cc: 'Nanog@Merit. Edu' Subject: Re: World Trade Center attack
On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 09:14:41AM -0400, Greg Pendergrass <greg@band-x.com> wrote a message of 9 lines which said:
Both towers of the World Trade Center are burning after planes flew into them in an apparent suicide attack. Many people are certainly dead. I don't give a damn what network disruption this causes, but please say a prayer for those killed.
Will you send a message to that mailing list each time innocent people are killed in Palestine, Chechenia, Macedonia, Afghanistan, etc?
--- John Fraizer EnterZone, Inc
========================================================================== "A cat spends her life conflicted between a deep, passionate and profound desire for fish and an equally deep, passionate and profound desire to avoid getting wet. This is the defining metaphor of my life right now."
They claimed credit on Palestinian TV. On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Gwendolynn ferch Elydyr wrote:
Where did you hear that? I've seen it quoted informally by a couple of folks, but haven't seen it from any 'reliable' news source.
cheers!
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, John Fraizer wrote:
Palestine? They just claimed responsibility!
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Greg Pendergrass wrote:
I would if they were killed in front of my face when I was watching. It's nice to know you care, though.
-----Original Message----- From: Stephane Bortzmeyer [mailto:bortzmeyer@netaktiv.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:28 AM To: Greg Pendergrass Cc: 'Nanog@Merit. Edu' Subject: Re: World Trade Center attack
On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 09:14:41AM -0400, Greg Pendergrass <greg@band-x.com> wrote a message of 9 lines which said:
Both towers of the World Trade Center are burning after planes flew into them in an apparent suicide attack. Many people are certainly dead. I don't give a damn what network disruption this causes, but please say a prayer for those killed.
Will you send a message to that mailing list each time innocent people are killed in Palestine, Chechenia, Macedonia, Afghanistan, etc?
--- John Fraizer EnterZone, Inc
========================================================================== "A cat spends her life conflicted between a deep, passionate and profound desire for fish and an equally deep, passionate and profound desire to avoid getting wet. This is the defining metaphor of my life right now."
--- John Fraizer EnterZone, Inc
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, John Fraizer wrote:
They claimed credit on Palestinian TV.
Some funny guy called in to a major US TV station claiming the PLL had done the attacks - which was denied a few minutes later by a real PLL person. -- Dominic J. Eidson "Baruk Khazad! Khazad ai-menu!" - Gimli ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.the-infinite.org/ http://www.the-infinite.org/~dominic/
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Dominic J. Eidson wrote:
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, John Fraizer wrote:
They claimed credit on Palestinian TV.
Some funny guy called in to a major US TV station claiming the PLL had done the attacks - which was denied a few minutes later by a real PLL person.
According to the Jerusalem Post's web site, somebody called the BBC and a Abu Dhabi TV claiming credit by the PFLP - but that direct PFLP sources were denying any involvement. ************************************************************************** The Center for Civic Networking PO Box 600618 Miles R. Fidelman, President & Newtonville, MA 02460-0006 Director, Municipal Telecommunications Strategies Program 617-558-3698 fax: 617-630-8946 mfidelman@civicnet.org http://civic.net/ccn.html Information Infrastructure: Public Spaces for the 21st Century Let's Start With: Internet Wall-Plugs Everywhere Say It Often, Say It Loud: "I Want My Internet!" **************************************************************************
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, John Fraizer wrote:
They claimed credit on Palestinian TV.
Some funny guy called in to a major US TV station claiming the PLL had done the attacks - which was denied a few minutes later by a real PLL person.
I've seen TV vision of several groups "rushing" to deny responsibility. It appears the terrorists are very very afraid of a possible US response. --- Terence C. Giufre-Sweetser +---------------------------------+--------------------------+ | TereDonn Telecommunications Ltd | Phone +61-[0]7-32369366 | | 1/128 Bowen St, SPRING HILL | FAX +61-[0]7-32369930 | | PO BOX 1054, SPRING HILL 4004 | Mobile +61-[0]414-663053 | | Queensland Australia | http://www.tdce.com.au | +---------------------------------+--------------------------+
On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Terence wrote:
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, John Fraizer wrote:
They claimed credit on Palestinian TV.
Some funny guy called in to a major US TV station claiming the PLL had done the attacks - which was denied a few minutes later by a real PLL person.
I've seen TV vision of several groups "rushing" to deny responsibility.
It appears the terrorists are very very afraid of a possible US response.
--- Terence C. Giufre-Sweetser
The _NEED_ to be afraid. Did they forget that we elected a gentleman named "BUSH" to the office of President of the United States? For those of you outside of the US who did not see President Bush speak tonight, he said, "..we will make NO DIFFERENTIATION between the terrorists and those states who choose to harbor them." It's time to kick terrorist ass and chew bubblegum and we're ALL OUT OF BUBBLEGUM! (He didn't say that but, you can read between the lines.) --- John Fraizer EnterZone, Inc
Apologies for the top reply, but: http://ca.news.yahoo.com/010911/5/a89o.html On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Gwendolynn ferch Elydyr wrote:
Where did you hear that? I've seen it quoted informally by a couple of folks, but haven't seen it from any 'reliable' news source.
cheers!
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, John Fraizer wrote:
Palestine? They just claimed responsibility!
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Greg Pendergrass wrote:
I would if they were killed in front of my face when I was watching. It's nice to know you care, though.
-----Original Message----- From: Stephane Bortzmeyer [mailto:bortzmeyer@netaktiv.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:28 AM To: Greg Pendergrass Cc: 'Nanog@Merit. Edu' Subject: Re: World Trade Center attack
On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 09:14:41AM -0400, Greg Pendergrass <greg@band-x.com> wrote a message of 9 lines which said:
Both towers of the World Trade Center are burning after planes flew into them in an apparent suicide attack. Many people are certainly dead. I don't give a damn what network disruption this causes, but please say a prayer for those killed.
Will you send a message to that mailing list each time innocent people are killed in Palestine, Chechenia, Macedonia, Afghanistan, etc?
--- John Fraizer EnterZone, Inc
========================================================================== "A cat spends her life conflicted between a deep, passionate and profound desire for fish and an equally deep, passionate and profound desire to avoid getting wet. This is the defining metaphor of my life right now."
-- Bob <melange@yip.org> | Yes. I know. That is, indeed, *not* mayonnaise.
...which has since been denied by them... http://ca.news.yahoo.com/010911/5/a8aw.html And apparently both towers have collapsed now. On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Bob K wrote:
Apologies for the top reply, but: http://ca.news.yahoo.com/010911/5/a89o.html
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Gwendolynn ferch Elydyr wrote:
Where did you hear that? I've seen it quoted informally by a couple of folks, but haven't seen it from any 'reliable' news source.
cheers!
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, John Fraizer wrote:
Palestine? They just claimed responsibility!
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Greg Pendergrass wrote:
I would if they were killed in front of my face when I was watching. It's nice to know you care, though.
-----Original Message----- From: Stephane Bortzmeyer [mailto:bortzmeyer@netaktiv.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:28 AM To: Greg Pendergrass Cc: 'Nanog@Merit. Edu' Subject: Re: World Trade Center attack
On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 09:14:41AM -0400, Greg Pendergrass <greg@band-x.com> wrote a message of 9 lines which said:
Both towers of the World Trade Center are burning after planes flew into them in an apparent suicide attack. Many people are certainly dead. I don't give a damn what network disruption this causes, but please say a prayer for those killed.
Will you send a message to that mailing list each time innocent people are killed in Palestine, Chechenia, Macedonia, Afghanistan, etc?
--- John Fraizer EnterZone, Inc
========================================================================== "A cat spends her life conflicted between a deep, passionate and profound desire for fish and an equally deep, passionate and profound desire to avoid getting wet. This is the defining metaphor of my life right now."
-- Bob <melange@yip.org> | Yes. I know. That is, indeed, *not* mayonnaise.
* Bob K <melange@yip.org> [010911 09:49]:
Apologies for the top reply, but: http://ca.news.yahoo.com/010911/5/a89o.html
And now a denial: http://ca.news.yahoo.com/010911/5/a89z.html LER
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Gwendolynn ferch Elydyr wrote:
Where did you hear that? I've seen it quoted informally by a couple of folks, but haven't seen it from any 'reliable' news source.
cheers!
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, John Fraizer wrote:
Palestine? They just claimed responsibility!
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Greg Pendergrass wrote:
I would if they were killed in front of my face when I was watching. It's nice to know you care, though.
-----Original Message----- From: Stephane Bortzmeyer [mailto:bortzmeyer@netaktiv.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:28 AM To: Greg Pendergrass Cc: 'Nanog@Merit. Edu' Subject: Re: World Trade Center attack
On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 09:14:41AM -0400, Greg Pendergrass <greg@band-x.com> wrote a message of 9 lines which said:
Both towers of the World Trade Center are burning after planes flew into them in an apparent suicide attack. Many people are certainly dead. I don't give a damn what network disruption this causes, but please say a prayer for those killed.
Will you send a message to that mailing list each time innocent people are killed in Palestine, Chechenia, Macedonia, Afghanistan, etc?
--- John Fraizer EnterZone, Inc
========================================================================== "A cat spends her life conflicted between a deep, passionate and profound desire for fish and an equally deep, passionate and profound desire to avoid getting wet. This is the defining metaphor of my life right now."
-- Bob <melange@yip.org> | Yes. I know. That is, indeed, *not* mayonnaise.
-- Larry Rosenman http://www.lerctr.org/~ler Phone: +1 972-414-9812 E-Mail: ler@lerctr.org US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749
One more on the top: http://ca.news.yahoo.com/010911/5/a89z.html On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Bob K wrote:
Apologies for the top reply, but: http://ca.news.yahoo.com/010911/5/a89o.html
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Gwendolynn ferch Elydyr wrote:
Where did you hear that? I've seen it quoted informally by a couple of folks, but haven't seen it from any 'reliable' news source.
cheers!
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, John Fraizer wrote:
Palestine? They just claimed responsibility!
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Greg Pendergrass wrote:
I would if they were killed in front of my face when I was watching. It's nice to know you care, though.
-----Original Message----- From: Stephane Bortzmeyer [mailto:bortzmeyer@netaktiv.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:28 AM To: Greg Pendergrass Cc: 'Nanog@Merit. Edu' Subject: Re: World Trade Center attack
On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 09:14:41AM -0400, Greg Pendergrass <greg@band-x.com> wrote a message of 9 lines which said:
Both towers of the World Trade Center are burning after planes flew into them in an apparent suicide attack. Many people are certainly dead. I don't give a damn what network disruption this causes, but please say a prayer for those killed.
Will you send a message to that mailing list each time innocent people are killed in Palestine, Chechenia, Macedonia, Afghanistan, etc?
--- John Fraizer EnterZone, Inc
========================================================================== "A cat spends her life conflicted between a deep, passionate and profound desire for fish and an equally deep, passionate and profound desire to avoid getting wet. This is the defining metaphor of my life right now."
-- Bob <melange@yip.org> | Yes. I know. That is, indeed, *not* mayonnaise.
Hi let me see BBC,CNN, ITN, MSNBC, AP, TheAge (Australia), The London Times....how's that for trusted news. Turn on the radio/TV you won;t miss it (most of which are handling the resulting traffic poorly... Gwendolynn ferch Elydyr wrote:
Where did you hear that? I've seen it quoted informally by a couple of folks, but haven't seen it from any 'reliable' news source.
cheers!
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, John Fraizer wrote:
Palestine? They just claimed responsibility!
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Greg Pendergrass wrote:
I would if they were killed in front of my face when I was watching. It's nice to know you care, though.
-----Original Message----- From: Stephane Bortzmeyer [mailto:bortzmeyer@netaktiv.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:28 AM To: Greg Pendergrass Cc: 'Nanog@Merit. Edu' Subject: Re: World Trade Center attack
On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 09:14:41AM -0400, Greg Pendergrass <greg@band-x.com> wrote a message of 9 lines which said:
Both towers of the World Trade Center are burning after planes flew into them in an apparent suicide attack. Many people are certainly dead. I
don't
give a damn what network disruption this causes, but please say a prayer
for
those killed.
Will you send a message to that mailing list each time innocent people are killed in Palestine, Chechenia, Macedonia, Afghanistan, etc?
--- John Fraizer EnterZone, Inc
========================================================================== "A cat spends her life conflicted between a deep, passionate and profound desire for fish and an equally deep, passionate and profound desire to avoid getting wet. This is the defining metaphor of my life right now."
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No, no - the Palestinian thing. It's quite clear that there's a hell of a mess going on, otherwise. c. On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Martin Hepworth wrote:
let me see BBC,CNN, ITN, MSNBC, AP, TheAge (Australia), The London Times....how's that for trusted news. Turn on the radio/TV you won;t miss it
(most of which are handling the resulting traffic poorly...
Gwendolynn ferch Elydyr wrote:
Where did you hear that? I've seen it quoted informally by a couple of folks, but haven't seen it from any 'reliable' news source.
cheers!
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, John Fraizer wrote:
Palestine? They just claimed responsibility!
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Greg Pendergrass wrote:
I would if they were killed in front of my face when I was watching. It's nice to know you care, though.
-----Original Message----- From: Stephane Bortzmeyer [mailto:bortzmeyer@netaktiv.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:28 AM To: Greg Pendergrass Cc: 'Nanog@Merit. Edu' Subject: Re: World Trade Center attack
On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 09:14:41AM -0400, Greg Pendergrass <greg@band-x.com> wrote a message of 9 lines which said:
Both towers of the World Trade Center are burning after planes flew into them in an apparent suicide attack. Many people are certainly dead. I
don't
give a damn what network disruption this causes, but please say a prayer
for
those killed.
Will you send a message to that mailing list each time innocent people are killed in Palestine, Chechenia, Macedonia, Afghanistan, etc?
--- John Fraizer EnterZone, Inc
========================================================================== "A cat spends her life conflicted between a deep, passionate and profound desire for fish and an equally deep, passionate and profound desire to avoid getting wet. This is the defining metaphor of my life right now."
-- Martin Hepworth Senior Systems Administrator Solid State Logic Ltd +44 (0)1865 842300
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========================================================================== "A cat spends her life conflicted between a deep, passionate and profound desire for fish and an equally deep, passionate and profound desire to avoid getting wet. This is the defining metaphor of my life right now."
Seen supposed claims on ananova.com (a sites that actually up and part of AP), but everyone and his brother will be putting their hand up for this one. Guess this will take a while for the actual group to be positively identified. Whoever they are I will not pass comment for it's not my place to judge. Oh, current rumour mill says there where warnings four days ago, which were prompt ignored as I guess they get loads of these... -- Martin Hepworth Senior Systems Administrator Solid State Logic Ltd +44 (0)1865 842300 Gwendolynn ferch Elydyr wrote:
No, no - the Palestinian thing. It's quite clear that there's a hell of a mess going on, otherwise.
c.
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Martin Hepworth wrote:
let me see BBC,CNN, ITN, MSNBC, AP, TheAge (Australia), The London Times....how's that for trusted news. Turn on the radio/TV you won;t miss it
(most of which are handling the resulting traffic poorly...
Gwendolynn ferch Elydyr wrote:
Where did you hear that? I've seen it quoted informally by a couple of folks, but haven't seen it from any 'reliable' news source.
cheers!
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On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Martin Hepworth wrote:
Seen supposed claims on ananova.com (a sites that actually up and part of AP), but everyone and his brother will be putting their hand up for this one.
I expect not. Whoever did this has made a LOT of very dangerous enemies. Personally, I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop. Somebody just expended a lot of resources to paralyze a lot of the world's decision making infrastructure - I'm more than a little worried that somebody is about to make a major military move while everyone's attention is on NY and DC. Has anybody been hearing news from out of the US about increased military alerts and such? Miles ************************************************************************** The Center for Civic Networking PO Box 600618 Miles R. Fidelman, President & Newtonville, MA 02460-0006 Director, Municipal Telecommunications Strategies Program 617-558-3698 fax: 617-630-8946 mfidelman@civicnet.org http://civic.net/ccn.html Information Infrastructure: Public Spaces for the 21st Century Let's Start With: Internet Wall-Plugs Everywhere Say It Often, Say It Loud: "I Want My Internet!" **************************************************************************
On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 12:19:54PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Martin Hepworth wrote:
Seen supposed claims on ananova.com (a sites that actually up and part of AP), but everyone and his brother will be putting their hand up for this one.
I expect not. Whoever did this has made a LOT of very dangerous enemies.
Personally, I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop. Somebody just expended a lot of resources to paralyze a lot of the world's decision making infrastructure - I'm more than a little worried that somebody is about to make a major military move while everyone's attention is on NY and DC.
Has anybody been hearing news from out of the US about increased military alerts and such?
The USA is currently in state Delta, highest alertness state as if War has been declared. (Based on report on Fox News in the last 5 minutes)
Miles
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On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 10:46:24AM -0700, Ulf Zimmermann wrote:
The USA is currently in state Delta, highest alertness state as if War has been declared. (Based on report on Fox News in the last 5 minutes)
Correct. FP (Force Protection) Condition Delta is the highest alert. Though I've heard it's only the US East coast posts that are at Delta; I've had reports that most overseas bases are at Charlie. FPCon is a localized alert state and will vary by location. DEFCON 2 has been reached, I believe. DEFCON 1 does not necessarily equate automatically to war, however. It is merely the maximum level of force readiness. -- Mark C. Langston mark@bitshift.org Systems & Network Admin http://www.bitshift.org
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:02:13 -0700 From: Mark C . Langston <mark@bitshift.org>
Correct. FP (Force Protection) Condition Delta is the highest alert. Though I've heard it's only the US East coast posts that are at Delta; I've had reports that most overseas bases are at Charlie. FPCon is a localized alert state and will vary by location.
NPR in Kansas stated that local bases were at Delta. At any rate, it's a far cry from Alpha and the occasional Bravo, particularly considering that _every_ base seems to be at least Charlie... and Delta is common from what I've heard. Back to lurking. Note that the above is hearsay. Eddy --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brotsman & Dreger, Inc. - EverQuick Internet Division Phone: +1 (316) 794-8922 Wichita/(Inter)national Phone: +1 (785) 865-5885 Lawrence --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 11:23:58 +0000 (GMT) From: A Trap <blacklist@brics.com> To: blacklist@brics.com Subject: Please ignore this portion of my mail signature. These last few lines are a trap for address-harvesting spambots. Do NOT send mail to <blacklist@brics.com>, or you are likely to be blocked.
http://www.redstone.army.mil/threatcon_alert/ -j On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 10:46:24AM -0700, Ulf Zimmermann wrote:
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:46:24 -0700 From: Ulf Zimmermann <ulf@Alameda.net> To: Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@civicnet.org> Cc: "'Nanog@Merit. Edu'" <nanog@merit.edu> Subject: Re: World Trade Center attack
On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 12:19:54PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Martin Hepworth wrote:
Seen supposed claims on ananova.com (a sites that actually up and part of AP), but everyone and his brother will be putting their hand up for this one.
I expect not. Whoever did this has made a LOT of very dangerous enemies.
Personally, I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop. Somebody just expended a lot of resources to paralyze a lot of the world's decision making infrastructure - I'm more than a little worried that somebody is about to make a major military move while everyone's attention is on NY and DC.
Has anybody been hearing news from out of the US about increased military alerts and such?
The USA is currently in state Delta, highest alertness state as if War has been declared. (Based on report on Fox News in the last 5 minutes)
Miles
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-- Regards, Ulf.
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That is Redstone Arsenal at Huntsville, Alabama (where I live), which is the home of the Aviation and Missile Command. They just got a new commander yesterday (today's ceremonies were obviously cancelled). The only thing I have head about the status there was around noon from someone at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center (located on the Arsenal) said that the Arsenal was at threatcon Charlie. Normally, the gates are manned by MPs only part of the time (the rest of the time is more or less rent-a-cops). At this time, I believe only two gates are open and they are fully manned by armed MPs, performing full inspections of all vehicles. Everyone must have a badge and some additional photo ID. -- Chris Adams <cmadams@hiwaay.net> Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble.
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Seen supposed claims on ananova.com (a sites that actually up and part of AP), but everyone and his brother will be putting their hand up for this one.
I expect not. Whoever did this has made a LOT of very dangerous enemies. Personally, I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop. Somebody just expended a lot of resources to paralyze a lot of the world's decision making infrastructure - I'm more than a little worried that somebody is about to make a major military move while everyone's attention is on NY and DC. Has anybody been hearing news from out of the US about increased military alerts and such? Miles ********************************************************************** **** The Center for Civic Networking PO Box 600618 Miles R. Fidelman, President & Newtonville, MA 02460-0006 Director, Municipal Telecommunications Strategies Program 617-558-3698 fax: 617-630-8946 mfidelman@civicnet.org http://civic.net/ccn.html Information Infrastructure: Public Spaces for the 21st Century Let's Start With: Internet Wall-Plugs Everywhere Say It Often, Say It Loud: "I Want My Internet!" ********************************************************************** **** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com> iQA/AwUBO55OHcp0j1NsDQTPEQK/NQCg6HK4o8ZxGI4JkLKQUTNgki/M04IAoO4E reZuEhgwuS+ePmGpzPuE+vP4 =pLOm -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Police have contructed a tight securitty cordon around the USA and Israeli embassies in Canberra Australia. tcgs
The US military was put on it's highest state of alert, this morning, shortly after this started. A prudent move. - Daniel Golding -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Miles Fidelman Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:20 PM To: 'Nanog@Merit. Edu' Subject: Re: World Trade Center attack On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Martin Hepworth wrote:
Seen supposed claims on ananova.com (a sites that actually up and part of AP), but everyone and his brother will be putting their hand up for this one.
I expect not. Whoever did this has made a LOT of very dangerous enemies. Personally, I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop. Somebody just expended a lot of resources to paralyze a lot of the world's decision making infrastructure - I'm more than a little worried that somebody is about to make a major military move while everyone's attention is on NY and DC. Has anybody been hearing news from out of the US about increased military alerts and such? Miles ************************************************************************** The Center for Civic Networking PO Box 600618 Miles R. Fidelman, President & Newtonville, MA 02460-0006 Director, Municipal Telecommunications Strategies Program 617-558-3698 fax: 617-630-8946 mfidelman@civicnet.org http://civic.net/ccn.html Information Infrastructure: Public Spaces for the 21st Century Let's Start With: Internet Wall-Plugs Everywhere Say It Often, Say It Loud: "I Want My Internet!" **************************************************************************
On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 12:19:54PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Has anybody been hearing news from out of the US about increased military alerts and such?
I've heard that we're at Threatcon Delta on parts of the east coast, at least, and Threatcon Charlie elsewhere. Also, the navy has put two carriers to sea that will be holding station off the east coast, along with a number of destroyers. --Jeff
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:16:16 -0400 Jeff Aitken <jaitken@aitken.com> wrote:
On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 12:19:54PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Has anybody been hearing news from out of the US about increased military alerts and such?
I've heard that we're at Threatcon Delta on parts of the east coast, at least, and Threatcon Charlie elsewhere. Also, the navy has put two carriers to sea that will be holding station off the east coast, along with a number of destroyers.
and CNN has mis-reported that 5 battleships put to sea as well, suggesting that their knowledge of networking is comparable to their knowledge of the US navy. richard -- Richard Welty Averill Park Networking rwelty@averillpark.net 518-573-7592
and CNN has mis-reported that 5 battleships put to sea as well, suggesting that their knowledge of networking is comparable to their knowledge of the US navy.
...the "enterprise battle group" has been ordered to stay in the persian gulf... tcgs
anyone confirm that something happened at camp david? Frank
This report has been disputed. andy -- PGP Key Available at http://www.tigerteam.net/andy/pgp On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Frank Thomas wrote:
anyone confirm that something happened at camp david?
Frank
My wife called earlier to tell me a plane was shot down near camp david, said it was on CNN or Fox. Apparently, also hijacked. I don't have anything more specific, sorry. Frank Thomas wrote:
anyone confirm that something happened at camp david?
Frank
We can confirm this first hand. I walk out of my building, and the skyline is distinctly different. Two bid buildings are missing. Reports of charred dead bodies in the streets. - Tom On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Gwendolynn ferch Elydyr wrote:
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:07:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Gwendolynn ferch Elydyr <gwen@reptiles.org> To: John Fraizer <nanog@Overkill.EnterZone.Net> Cc: Greg Pendergrass <greg@band-x.com>, Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@netaktiv.com>, "'Nanog@Merit. Edu'" <nanog@merit.edu> Subject: RE: World Trade Center attack
Where did you hear that? I've seen it quoted informally by a couple of folks, but haven't seen it from any 'reliable' news source.
cheers!
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, John Fraizer wrote:
Palestine? They just claimed responsibility!
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Greg Pendergrass wrote:
I would if they were killed in front of my face when I was watching. It's nice to know you care, though.
-----Original Message----- From: Stephane Bortzmeyer [mailto:bortzmeyer@netaktiv.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:28 AM To: Greg Pendergrass Cc: 'Nanog@Merit. Edu' Subject: Re: World Trade Center attack
On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 09:14:41AM -0400, Greg Pendergrass <greg@band-x.com> wrote a message of 9 lines which said:
Both towers of the World Trade Center are burning after planes flew into them in an apparent suicide attack. Many people are certainly dead. I don't give a damn what network disruption this causes, but please say a prayer for those killed.
Will you send a message to that mailing list each time innocent people are killed in Palestine, Chechenia, Macedonia, Afghanistan, etc?
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On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Greg Pendergrass wrote:
I would if they were killed in front of my face when I was watching. It's nice to know you care, though.
What's palestine ? --Ariel
-----Original Message----- From: Stephane Bortzmeyer [mailto:bortzmeyer@netaktiv.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:28 AM To: Greg Pendergrass Cc: 'Nanog@Merit. Edu' Subject: Re: World Trade Center attack
On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 09:14:41AM -0400, Greg Pendergrass <greg@band-x.com> wrote a message of 9 lines which said:
Both towers of the World Trade Center are burning after planes flew into them in an apparent suicide attack. Many people are certainly dead. I don't give a damn what network disruption this causes, but please say a prayer for those killed.
Will you send a message to that mailing list each time innocent people are killed in Palestine, Chechenia, Macedonia, Afghanistan, etc?
-- Ariel Biener e-mail: ariel@post.tau.ac.il PGP(6.5.8) public key http://www.tau.ac.il/~ariel/pgp.html
* Ariel Biener sez:
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Greg Pendergrass wrote:
I would if they were killed in front of my face when I was watching. It's nice to know you care, though.
What's palestine ?
Oh, just a small country currently subject to unjustified invasions by another small country, some genozide and the main star during this years South African Anti-Apartheid convention.
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Greg Pendergrass wrote:
I would if they were killed in front of my face when I was watching. It's nice to know you care, though.
Aside from the attitude Stephane displays, the fact is that this event does have the potential to have serious operational issues that are quite relevant to this mailing list's charter. I suggest to Mr. Bortzmeyer that he reconsider his position (and I'm only being polite because I am required to by the list's charter). I do not wish to minimize the effect when individuals are killed in other situations of course. And if this had happened somewhere else it would be *just* as relevant. -- JustThe.net LLC - Steve "Web Dude" Sobol, CTO - sjsobol@JustThe.net Donate a portion of your monthly ISP bill to your favorite charity or non-profit organization! E-mail me for details.
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