Yada Yada Yada - PPLB - Yada Yada Yada. Hey, enough already. Cut it out. Trolls never get full. Listen, by now we all know that PPLB does not behave well with anycast. Those who actually have networks that use PPLB have been warned. Repeatedly. So I am sure they'll be appropriately cautious, and they appreciate all the advice and education and being made aware of the issues, if they didn't already know. While barely "real-time operational" (I don't recall anyone waving a red flag and saying that their network was broken right now from this), the subject is done. I don't run PPLB in my network. So I don't give a damn beyond being aware that down the road if I have to trouble shoot issues, PPLB will be in the back of my mind. Thanks for that. I don't know how many do run PPLB. And which of them run anycast behind it. I don't care about that either. They run their networks. I run mine. If I want to learn about the intricacies, I'll go look for the appropriate venue or forum. It shouldn't be NANOG. But this incessant noise complete with repetition of the noise is *not* appropriate for the list by any sane definition. If it is now considered appropriate, then NANOG is no longer an operational mailing list, and I'm going to look for - or start - another one. Suggesting the use of procmail recipes to filter the latest reincarnation of the "kooks korner" is wrong. Life's too short, and I don't have time. As I said earlier this year (about NANOG) in another forum: " I have an interest in an organization that can act as a point of "attraction" for clueful geeks who run networks that carry real traffic that my packets interact with on a constant basis, and where any issue that they have with their networks often affects my ability to make my bits go where they are intended, and vice versa. I don't mind it being populated by clueful geeks from equipment vendors who can contribute to operational discussions by providing information or advice that relates to their products or the operation of networks in general, without smothering me with sales puffery. And who can also take information away from such discussion, and make improvements in their products to help the network I play on "better". I want people who actually do things on networks, rather than people who pontificate about what aught to happen on networks. I want people who can practice Gestalt Protocol without bullshit. People who can say "In my experience..." and actually have some that is relevant. I want people who can say "This is what you're seeing, and this is what is causing it, and this is how to fix it", and it does. And I want people who can say "It's my responsibility, I'll jump on it and fix it", and who will." I don't know where nanog-futures has gone with deciding on nanog-futures. I hope that the "carte blanche" that seems to have been granted to everyone with their threads and attacks and pontification has been done in order to show the "members" how bad it can get. And that it is going to stop. Because if it is not, I'm outta here, after almost 11 years. Some of the stuff on the list over the last 2 months is downright embarrassing to be associated with. It seems to me that while some are here to actually improve the state of the Internet, far too many are here to improve their positions in their own alternative universes, and minds. And that's sad. There, that's my one email for today. Or longer. Rodney Joffe CenterGate Research Group, LLC http://www.centergate.com "Technology so advanced, even WE don't understand it"(R)