Betsy Hart: Shadowy group is taking control of Internet! http://www.azstarnet.com/public/dnews/0623CV2.html Imposition of taxes and other power plays. Seems like history repeating itself and setting a dangerous precedent. Taxation of the network and making US citizens bare the brunt of the cost is UNACCEPTABLE PERIOD. Increasing rates to ISP's and backbone providers is and reverse method of taxation on the consumer in the end for government benefit, UNACCEPTABLE PERIOD. Henry
On Wed, Jun 23, 1999 at 03:38:02PM -0700, Henry R. Linneweh wrote:
Betsy Hart: Shadowy group is taking control of Internet! http://www.azstarnet.com/public/dnews/0623CV2.html
Imposition of taxes and other power plays. Seems like history repeating itself and setting a dangerous precedent.
This is not news at all if you read comp.protocols.tcp-ip.domains. People have been complaining about ICANN's secrecy for some time now. -- Steven J. Sobol - Tech Support Guru, Abuse Desk Guy, Bill Gates Lookalike New Age Consulting Service, Inc. http://www.nacs.net/ Send personal mail to: sjsobol@nacs.net Send support issues to: support@nacs.net To complain about net abuse by a NACS customer, send mail to: abuse@nacs.net
On 06/23/99, "Henry R. Linneweh" <linneweh@concentric.net> wrote:
Betsy Hart: Shadowy group is taking control of Internet! http://www.azstarnet.com/public/dnews/0623CV2.html
There've been some other, less sensational articles about this also -- and some less sensational posts about it, too. http://stealthgeeks.net/background.html covers things pretty well, IMHO, without resorting to exaggeration at all. Followups elsewhere, please; this isn't operational, though it soon will be. ---------========== J.D. Falk <jdfalk@cybernothing.org> =========--------- | "...the angels invented the Internet, so they could better eavesdrop | | on what human beings are doing." --Andrew Greeley | ----========== http://www.cybernothing.org/jdfalk/home.html ==========----
At 15:38 23/06/99 -0700, Henry R. Linneweh wrote:
Betsy Hart: Shadowy group is taking control of Internet! http://www.azstarnet.com/public/dnews/0623CV2.html
Imposition of taxes and other power plays. Seems like history repeating itself and setting a dangerous precedent.
Taxation of the network and making US citizens bare the brunt of the cost is UNACCEPTABLE PERIOD.
Increasing rates to ISP's and backbone providers is and reverse method of taxation on the consumer in the end for government benefit, UNACCEPTABLE PERIOD.
<flame> Oh please! NSI is playing every one of you for saps. Follow the money. Who is making money right now by the delay? Not ICANN. A tax? You have got to be kidding. It is a cost to cover expenses - might be $.50, might even $.30. Go ahead - put a cap put on the cost of running ICANN. Build a different cost model to support the operation of ICANN. Oh wait - ARIN has one. No one calls the fee ISPs pay ARIN - a form of taxation. Calling it a tax is playing into NSI's hands. Internet governance? Another nice buzzword thrown around to make people shy away from ICANN. ICANN has nothing to do with encryption, copyright, taxation, censorship, etc. Those who want to torpedo ICANN and to put the whole process back by 2 years - want you to think that ICANN can and will do all those things. Assigning domain names is administrative. Don't let anyone convince you otherwise. You don't like cybersquatters or trademark bandits? Take them to court. Leave ICANN (and NSI for that matter) out of it. </flame> -Hank
Henry
Hank, This is off-topic for NANOG. But, while you are not completely wrong, you are not properly informed either. New top-level domains are NOT strictly administrative. If they were, or the root-servers were, we'd have had them over two years ago. Switch off your flame-thrower and come and join the festivities on the DOMAIN-POLICY list. Dean Robb did.
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Hank Nussbacher Sent: Thursday, June 24, 1999 1:52 AM To: linneweh@concentric.net; nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: This is not good news.
At 15:38 23/06/99 -0700, Henry R. Linneweh wrote:
Betsy Hart: Shadowy group is taking control of Internet! http://www.azstarnet.com/public/dnews/0623CV2.html
Imposition of taxes and other power plays. Seems like history repeating itself and setting a dangerous precedent.
Taxation of the network and making US citizens bare the brunt of the cost is UNACCEPTABLE PERIOD.
Increasing rates to ISP's and backbone providers is and reverse method of taxation on the consumer in the end for government benefit, UNACCEPTABLE PERIOD.
<flame> Oh please! NSI is playing every one of you for saps. Follow the money. Who is making money right now by the delay? Not ICANN. A tax? You have got to be kidding. It is a cost to cover expenses - might be $.50, might even $.30. Go ahead - put a cap put on the cost of running ICANN. Build a different cost model to support the operation of ICANN. Oh wait - ARIN has one. No one calls the fee ISPs pay ARIN - a form of taxation. Calling it a tax is playing into NSI's hands.
Internet governance? Another nice buzzword thrown around to make people shy away from ICANN. ICANN has nothing to do with encryption, copyright, taxation, censorship, etc. Those who want to torpedo ICANN and to put the whole process back by 2 years - want you to think that ICANN can and will do all those things. Assigning domain names is administrative. Don't let anyone convince you otherwise. You don't like cybersquatters or trademark bandits? Take them to court. Leave ICANN (and NSI for that matter) out of it. </flame>
-Hank
Henry
At 12:31 AM 6/24/99 -0700, Roeland M.J. Meyer wrote:
Hank, This is off-topic for NANOG. But, while you are not completely wrong, you are not properly informed either. New top-level domains are NOT strictly administrative. If they were, or the root-servers were, we'd have had them over two years ago. Switch off your flame-thrower and come and join the festivities on the DOMAIN-POLICY list. Dean Robb did.
I'm not sure...is that an endorement or condemnation? :) However, it *IS* the correct forum... "Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of ICANN?" Dean Robb Owner, PC-EASY (757) 495-EASY [3279] On-site computer repairs, upgrades and consultations Lead SimOps columnist/reviewer on http://WWW.TheGamers.Net
participants (6)
-
Dean Robb -
Hank Nussbacher -
Henry R. Linneweh -
J.D. Falk -
Roeland M.J. Meyer -
Steven J. Sobol