Re: EFF call for signatures from Internet engineers against censorship
but the letter needs to be updated for two bills, SOPA and PIPA, that are close to passing through US Congress now.
Stanford law school CIS (Center for Internet and Society) had a panel on SOPA a week ago. What's Wrong with SOPA? http://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/node/6770 That's got a link to the talk on youtube: 2 hours. I thought it was very good. (I'm may be biased. I live in Silicon Valley, not Hollywood.) The handout also has a link to a white paper on the DNS issues. htp://bit.ly/sZBJbd Security and Other Technical Concerns Raised by the DNS Filtering Requirements in the PROTECT IP Bill Authors: Steve Crocker, Shinkuro, Inc. David Dagon, Georgia Tech Dan Kaminsky, DKH Danny McPherson, Verisign, Inc. Paul Vixie, Internet Systems Consortium My opinions (US centric): Everybody agrees that Hollywood has problems with getting ripped off. The bill should be dumped rather than patched until it is good enough. (If you are a cynic, you would propose that the really terrible parts of the bill were put there so that the good guys would focus on getting them removed and ignore the parts that were only bad.) Technically, it won't work. (Spammer's have lots of practice creating domains faster than people can black list them and/or hiding in legitimate domains.) See URL above. Technically, the unintended consequences are nasty. (at least the ones we can see) Our legal quirks are already hurting US based cloud servers. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/69366.html Internationally, it's shooting ourselves in the foot. Hillary Clinton is on record as saying the Internet should be open. If China did something like this we would make fun of them. If we block their domains, they can block Google and such. (They are undoubtedly better at it than we are. Google gets a lot of its income from offshore.) There is no due-process. The AG could take down Google. There is already a good example of the government taking down a legitimate domain without being willing to provide any justification: Breaking News: Feds Falsely Censor Popular Blog For Over A Year, Deny All Due Process, Hide All Details... http://j.mp/s1aS6z http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111208/08225217010/ breaking-news-feds-falsely-censor-popular-blog-over-year-deny-all-due- process-hide-all-details.shtml This whole mess is a wonderful example of why many citizens are cynical about Congress. It looks like the MPAA/RIAA can buy whatever they want. -- These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam.
I would strongly suggest that operators work with their legal departments to endorse this paper by Crocker and others. If other ISP organizations (such as say MAAWG) come out with something, other operators could sign on to that as well. The EFF petition has way too much propaganda and far less content than would be entirely productive in a policy discussion. --srs On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Hal Murray <hmurray@megapathdsl.net> wrote:
Security and Other Technical Concerns Raised by the DNS Filtering Requirements in the PROTECT IP Bill Authors: Steve Crocker, Shinkuro, Inc. David Dagon, Georgia Tech Dan Kaminsky, DKH Danny McPherson, Verisign, Inc. Paul Vixie, Internet Systems Consortium
-- Suresh Ramasubramanian (ops.lists@gmail.com)
MAAWG has written voicing its concerns on SOPA and PIPA. http://www.maawg.org/sites/maawg/files/news/MAAWG_US_Congress_S968-HR3261_Co... Mike ________________________________________ From: Suresh Ramasubramanian [ops.lists@gmail.com] Sent: 14 December 2011 05:12 To: Hal Murray Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: EFF call for signatures from Internet engineers against censorship I would strongly suggest that operators work with their legal departments to endorse this paper by Crocker and others. If other ISP organizations (such as say MAAWG) come out with something, other operators could sign on to that as well. The EFF petition has way too much propaganda and far less content than would be entirely productive in a policy discussion. --srs On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Hal Murray <hmurray@megapathdsl.net> wrote:
Security and Other Technical Concerns Raised by the DNS Filtering Requirements in the PROTECT IP Bill Authors: Steve Crocker, Shinkuro, Inc. David Dagon, Georgia Tech Dan Kaminsky, DKH Danny McPherson, Verisign, Inc. Paul Vixie, Internet Systems Consortium
-- Suresh Ramasubramanian (ops.lists@gmail.com)
Wonderful. I would urge SPs based stateside to strongly consider endorsing the MAAWG comments. thanks suresh On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 5:06 PM, O'Reirdan, Michael <Michael_OReirdan@cable.comcast.com> wrote:
MAAWG has written voicing its concerns on SOPA and PIPA.
http://www.maawg.org/sites/maawg/files/news/MAAWG_US_Congress_S968-HR3261_Co...
Mike ________________________________________ From: Suresh Ramasubramanian [ops.lists@gmail.com] Sent: 14 December 2011 05:12 To: Hal Murray Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: EFF call for signatures from Internet engineers against censorship
I would strongly suggest that operators work with their legal departments to endorse this paper by Crocker and others.
If other ISP organizations (such as say MAAWG) come out with something, other operators could sign on to that as well.
The EFF petition has way too much propaganda and far less content than would be entirely productive in a policy discussion.
--srs
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Hal Murray <hmurray@megapathdsl.net> wrote:
Security and Other Technical Concerns Raised by the DNS Filtering Requirements in the PROTECT IP Bill Authors: Steve Crocker, Shinkuro, Inc. David Dagon, Georgia Tech Dan Kaminsky, DKH Danny McPherson, Verisign, Inc. Paul Vixie, Internet Systems Consortium
-- Suresh Ramasubramanian (ops.lists@gmail.com)
-- Suresh Ramasubramanian (ops.lists@gmail.com)
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