I'm impressed. From all of the reports, the appearance is that they've managed to empty most of the building in less than 10 minutes. |> From: John Fraizer [mailto:nanog@Overkill.EnterZone.Net] |> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:06 AM |> |> According to my sources inside Sun, everyone from their |> offices got out |> OK. That was the word he had when I spoke to him at around |> 11:45pm -400 |> on the 11th. |> On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Terence wrote: |> > |> > Sun Microsystems occupied 2 whole floors of one tower of the WTC.
Roeland Meyer wrote:
I'm impressed. From all of the reports, the appearance is that they've managed to empty most of the building in less than 10 minutes.
According to: http://www.foxnews.com/images/36149/1_22_wtc_layout.jpg There was 18 minutes between the first crash and the second. People in the second tower who began evacuation as soon as they saw the first crash had enough time to get out (or at least below the level of the fire from the second crash), if they moved quickly. Each tower remained standing for more than an hour after their respective crash (tower 1 remained for 1:45, tower 2 remained for 1:02). More than enough time for people below the fires to evacuate. Of course, those at or above the level of the fire in building one had little chance of escape, and people in wheelchairs may have been trapped, but it is entirely believable if most of everybody else was able to clear out in time. But we won't know for certain for quite some time. -- David
On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, David Charlap wrote:
There was 18 minutes between the first crash and the second. People in the second tower who began evacuation as soon as they saw the first crash had enough time to get out (or at least below the level of the fire from the second crash), if they moved quickly.
Point of information: my son Nathan had begun evacuation procedures from the 58th floor in tower 2 shortly after the first crash but when he reached the 44th floor (via the stairway) the PA system announced that there was no emergency in that tower and people could return to their offices. He took the elevator back up to 58 and was in the midst of returning a phone call when the tower lurched from the impact of the second plane. This time the evacuation continued without interruption. I believe it took them ~12 minutes from the 58th floor to exit the structure. David Leonard ShaysNet
On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, David Charlap wrote:
Roeland Meyer wrote:
I'm impressed. From all of the reports, the appearance is that they've managed to empty most of the building in less than 10 minutes.
According to: http://www.foxnews.com/images/36149/1_22_wtc_layout.jpg
There was 18 minutes between the first crash and the second. People in the second tower who began evacuation as soon as they saw the first crash had enough time to get out (or at least below the level of the fire from the second crash), if they moved quickly.
Actually, when the first plane hit 1WTC (south), within 3 minutes there was a PA announcement over the loudspeakers of 2WTC (north). The statement was, more or less, 'there was an incident in 1WTC, and everything is fine at 2WTC; you may return to your offices'. How do I know this? I heard it over the phone when I called someone in 2WTC after the 1WTC incident. The good news is that most people ignored the PANYNJ and evacuated the building anyway.
At 04:05 PM 9/12/2001, David Charlap wrote:
Roeland Meyer wrote:
I'm impressed. From all of the reports, the appearance is that they've managed to empty most of the building in less than 10 minutes.
According to: http://www.foxnews.com/images/36149/1_22_wtc_layout.jpg
There was 18 minutes between the first crash and the second. People in the second tower who began evacuation as soon as they saw the first crash had enough time to get out (or at least below the level of the fire from the second crash), if they moved quickly.
A survivor interviewed last night (at ohgawdthirty - I'm a news junkie) said that she and several co-workers started to leave #2 after seeing the fire in #1. She reported that there were a very large number of people doing the same - the stairwells were full of people leaving. Building management came on the internal intercom and told everyone "We are in no danger, this building is safe. Stay where you are, don't leave, etc.". A large percentage of the evacuators followed those instructions and went back up; she took the "like hell!" attitude and left - the plane hit #2 before she got to the bottom. It would *appear* that the building management announcement *may* have contributed to the loss of life by causing people who would have left earlier to stay put. OF COURSE, the building management could not possibly have imagined the consequences - that another plane would hit them and they would suffer #1's fate. Undoubtedly a well-intentioned instruction - with tragic results. ADM Yamamoto: "I fear we will awaken a sleeping giant". Terrorists: "History repeats itself..." Dean Robb PC-Easy On-site computer services www.pc-easy-va.com
ADM Yamamoto: "I fear we will awaken a sleeping giant". Terrorists: "History repeats itself..."
As an FYI, although this statement fairly accurately portrayed his personal opinion according to people who knew him personally, its actual attribution to Admiral Yamamoto was throughly debunked years ago. It was a writer's creation for the movie "Tora Tora Tora".
At 02:28 PM 9/13/2001, Larry Beaulieu wrote:
ADM Yamamoto: "I fear we will awaken a sleeping giant". Terrorists: "History repeats itself..."
As an FYI, although this statement fairly accurately portrayed his personal opinion according to people who knew him personally, its actual attribution to Admiral Yamamoto was throughly debunked years ago. It was a writer's creation for the movie "Tora Tora Tora".
Your source, please? I've seen the quote (which I paraphrased, it's longer) many times in many "official" sources; and seen nothing to disavow it. Dean Robb www.PC-Easy-va.com On-site computer services Member, ICANN At Large
Once upon a time, Dean Robb <Dean@PC-Easy-va.com> said:
At 02:28 PM 9/13/2001, Larry Beaulieu wrote:
ADM Yamamoto: "I fear we will awaken a sleeping giant". Terrorists: "History repeats itself..."
As an FYI, although this statement fairly accurately portrayed his personal opinion according to people who knew him personally, its actual attribution to Admiral Yamamoto was throughly debunked years ago. It was a writer's creation for the movie "Tora Tora Tora".
Your source, please? I've seen the quote (which I paraphrased, it's longer) many times in many "official" sources; and seen nothing to disavow it.
Bartleby.com lists the attribution for this quote as the screenwriter for "Tora! Tora! Tora!" and lists "The Columbia World of Quotations" as the source. http://www.bartleby.com/66/77/22577.html -- Chris Adams <cmadams@hiwaay.net> Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble.
Here's an online example: http://www.pearlharborattacked.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/topic.cgi?forum=4&topic=48 And another, from the US Naval Institute: http://www.usni.org/navalhistory/articles01/NHsuid8.html Your 'official' sources are whom?
At 02:28 PM 9/13/2001, Larry Beaulieu wrote:
ADM Yamamoto: "I fear we will awaken a sleeping giant". Terrorists: "History repeats itself..."
As an FYI, although this statement fairly accurately portrayed his personal opinion according to people who knew him personally, its actual attribution to Admiral Yamamoto was throughly debunked years ago. It was a writer's creation for the movie "Tora Tora Tora".
Your source, please? I've seen the quote (which I paraphrased, it's longer) many times in many "official" sources; and seen nothing to disavow it.
Dean Robb www.PC-Easy-va.com On-site computer services Member, ICANN At Large
OF COURSE, the building management could not possibly have imagined the consequences - that another plane would hit them and they would suffer #1's fate. Undoubtedly a well-intentioned instruction - with tragic results.
Still wrong, since #1 did fall, with at least some consequences for some of the people in building #2.
Assuming an emergency situation and only two stair wells: People moving at a normal pace, two abreast means 4 people per second are exiting the building. In 10 minutes thats about 2400 people. I am sure they had more than 2 stair wells and people were moving far faster than 1 person per second/stair. Deepak -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Roeland Meyer Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 3:00 PM To: 'John Fraizer'; Terence Cc: nanog@merit.edu Subject: RE: More CNN reports... I'm impressed. From all of the reports, the appearance is that they've managed to empty most of the building in less than 10 minutes. |> From: John Fraizer [mailto:nanog@Overkill.EnterZone.Net] |> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:06 AM |> |> According to my sources inside Sun, everyone from their |> offices got out |> OK. That was the word he had when I spoke to him at around |> 11:45pm -400 |> on the 11th. |> On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Terence wrote: |> > |> > Sun Microsystems occupied 2 whole floors of one tower of the WTC.
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