Hello! IMHO, i also propose to have a clear discussion about some issues which came into my mind when reading all this mails. The next NANOG might be really a good place for this issue. There are some unanswered things: - optimize the Routing Table (e.g. how to come to an agreement with even the largest isps but also including smaller ones) - recent discussed Authorization of Routes and validation - how we all together can get rid of the swamp space (e.g. it MUST the possible somehow) - hints and tips and coordination of filter policies. But these are just my .5 cents Jan