I'm afraid I'm going to have to bow out of the Exodus discussion. Their corportate lawyer sent a note to me (with copy to my company's legal counsel) that he found my "numerous notes" to be "offensive and harassing". As far as I know, this is my SECOND posting to a public forum with respect to my dealings with Exodus. I'm not sure how that qualifies as numerous, nor do I understand how my initial note could be construed as offensive or harassing. I guess if you're an Exodus customer you're simply not supposed to tell anyone if you've gotten poor service or if you've gotten spammed. So rather than create work for their insufficiently utilizized legal counsel, I'll just let it drop. If anyone would like to discuss this with me offline, please feel free to drop me a line. As far as I know, you can't be harangued by a lawyer for talking to folks in private. *shrug* Simply amazing. I thought I'd seen it all.... Chris -- Chris Mauritz Technical Manager, Systems Administration Rare Medium, Inc. chrism@raremedium.com
On Wed, Oct 07, 1998 at 08:31:28PM -0400, chrism@postino.raremedium.com wrote:
corportate lawyer sent a note to me (with copy to my company's legal counsel) that he found my "numerous notes" to be "offensive and harassing".
Heh. Point him to the Bill of Rights. :P -- I'm not paranoid. Nor are any of the people who are out to get me.
On Wed, Oct 07, 1998 at 09:07:53PM -0400, Steven J. Sobol wrote:
On Wed, Oct 07, 1998 at 08:31:28PM -0400, chrism@postino.raremedium.com wrote:
corportate lawyer sent a note to me (with copy to my company's legal counsel) that he found my "numerous notes" to be "offensive and harassing".
Heh. Point him to the Bill of Rights. :P
Alas, the Bill of Rights only protects us from the government, not our employers. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Buy copies of The New Hackers Dictionary. The Suncoast Freenet Give them to all your friends. Tampa Bay, Florida http://www.ccil.org/jargon/ +1 813 790 7592
On Wed, Oct 07, 1998 at 09:13:42PM -0400, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
On Wed, Oct 07, 1998 at 09:07:53PM -0400, Steven J. Sobol wrote:
On Wed, Oct 07, 1998 at 08:31:28PM -0400, chrism@postino.raremedium.com wrote:
corportate lawyer sent a note to me (with copy to my company's legal counsel) that he found my "numerous notes" to be "offensive and harassing".
Heh. Point him to the Bill of Rights. :P
Alas, the Bill of Rights only protects us from the government, not our employers.
Yeah, I know, that was a slightly tongue-in-cheek remark. -- I'm not paranoid. Nor are any of the people who are out to get me.
At 09:07 PM 10/7/98 -0400, Steven J. Sobol wrote:
On Wed, Oct 07, 1998 at 08:31:28PM -0400, chrism@postino.raremedium.com wrote:
corportate lawyer sent a note to me (with copy to my company's legal counsel) that he found my "numerous notes" to be "offensive and harassing".
Heh. Point him to the Bill of Rights. :P
IANAL, but if they can prove anything he asserted as factual is not true - and he knew that when he posted - can't they sue him in civil court? Or something like that? Of course, that's pretty hard to prove, but hey, OJ got off. :) TTFN, patrick I Am Not An Isp www.ianai.net "Think of it as evolution in action." - Niven & Pournelle
On Wed, 7 Oct 1998, I Am Not An Isp wrote:
IANAL, but if they can prove anything he asserted as factual is not true - and he knew that when he posted - can't they sue him in civil court? Or something like that?
Quite possibly. However, everything that Chris said re: Exodus is 100% true, AFAIK. I'll gladly attest to that. So, the point is moot.
Thus spake I Am Not An Isp
IANAL, but if they can prove anything he asserted as factual is not true - and he knew that when he posted - can't they sue him in civil court? Or something like that?
Takes more than that. They have to prove that what he said was untrue, and they have to prove damages from that statement (*very* hard to prove). In addition to these two, I *think*, they have to prove that he said it *knowing* that it was untrue, and that he said untrue things with the intent to cause harm/damage. As with most others posting on this topic. I'm not a lawyer either. :) -- Jeff McAdams Email: jeffm@iglou.com Head Network Administrator Voice: (502) 966-3848 IgLou Internet Services (800) 436-4456
On 10/07/98, "Steven J. Sobol" <sjsobol@nacs.net> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 07, 1998 at 08:31:28PM -0400, chrism@postino.raremedium.com wrote:
corportate lawyer sent a note to me (with copy to my company's legal counsel) that he found my "numerous notes" to be "offensive and harassing".
Heh. Point him to the Bill of Rights. :P
Doesn't apply, unfortunately, but that's another topic. -- J.D. Falk <jdfalk@cp.net> Have you hugged your backups today? Special Agent In Charge (Abuse Issues) Critical Path, Inc. ------ Critical Path is hiring in all departments! ------
As far as I know, this is my SECOND posting to a public forum with respect to my dealings with Exodus. I'm not sure how that qualifies as numerous, nor do I understand how my initial note could be construed as offensive or harassing.
It was hardly offensive, and I don't think it qualified as harrassment either.
I guess if you're an Exodus customer you're simply not supposed to tell anyone if you've gotten poor service or if you've gotten spammed.
Simply amazing. I thought I'd seen it all....
It is, isn't it? It's a sad state that the internet as a whole has fallen into. Remember collaboration? -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- ISPF, The Forum for ISPs by ISPs. October 26-28, 1998, Atlanta, GA. Three days of clues, news, and views from the industry's best and brightest. http://www.ispf.com/ for information and registration. Atheism is a non-prophet organization. I route, therefore I am. Alex Rubenstein, alex@nac.net, KC2BUO, ISP/C Charter Member Father of the Network and Head Bottle-Washer Net Access Corporation, 9 Mt. Pleasant Tpk., Denville, NJ 07834 Don't choose a spineless ISP; we have more backbone! http://www.nac.net -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
At 20:31 10/7/98 -0400, you wrote:
I'm afraid I'm going to have to bow out of the Exodus discussion. Their corportate lawyer sent a note to me (with copy to my company's legal counsel) that he found my "numerous notes" to be "offensive and harassing".
So they find it offensive and harassing...what are they going to do about it? Last I heard, it's not a crime to be offensive in print media. As for harassing, they'd have a real devil of a time convincing a judge of that. Simple scare tactic..."Do what we want or our bogeyman lawyers will get you!". You oughta tell 'em to stop reading it if it bothers them. Says a lot about Exodus, IMO. Spammers should be investigated by Ken Starr! Dean Robb PC-EASY computer services (757) 495-EASY [3279]
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