Ah. Only girls with lowcut [...] [snip] If your point is that periodicly lusers and abusers will have similar

You're smarter than that. I think. Besides, I react badly to coercion. So do most people. Thats why we need laws. Sensible ones at that. Funny, but the enforcement of laws are based on ...coercion. I think you need to re-visit your dictionary. I'm not going to coerce you in any way shape or form when I plonk you into my nanog-procmail filter after

Anyway, I don't think it is just spammers. NOC's don't put terribly good information in whois because general public lusers will call them, instead of the help desk. Most companies don't list off-hours numbers. etc. The presence of bad data is not justification for further bad data. To remove spam from the argumnet, since it appears to cause you to lose all ability to reason, let's use BGP. Anyone doing BGP should have 24x7 numbers available; if your peers don't, request they do so by (mumble date) or you'll have to cut them off. If someone can't handle the calls they might generate due to error or whatever, they shouldn't be in the deep end of the

[Disclaim, disclaim: association listed for identifiaction, not endorsement, etc etc.] Dean Anderson <dean@av8.com> took a long pull from his crack pipe and wrote: [snip] thoguhts or profess similar motivations to others that aren't lusers, then congratulations. You just discovered that no-one "owns" an idea or position. Even lunatics can believe in gravity; does that make it less valid? Does the presence of Jim Fleming (or you, his un-funhouse mirror) on this list make this list invalid? [snip] this letter. Because I choose not to hear you on nanog makes me somehow abusive? Anyway, social workings behind law enforcement and the rationale for anarchism are on the dance card here, so... pool. Similarly with folks dumping postmaster to /dev/null. There are simple, sane things to do that are responsible. They are codified into various RFCs so that guides exist for newbies and folks wanting to do Right have something to point at when talking to the Suits. I am curious at you WAG that "Most companies don't list off-hours numbers. etc."; how long were you workinmg at the InterNIC grinding the database to determine this?

I don't think I protest enough. Spam actually runs only 2% of email volume. Again, with the stats of no consequence. 2% of _whose_ mail volume? How measured? etc etc... It is a hell of a lot more than 2% in my neck of the woods.

On the other hand, maybe I have been a bit hasty, and haven't considered every option. Vix, will you put porn sites into the RBL? I'll tell you [snip] Bzzt - content is irrelevant. The RBL is behavior modification for folks with broken behavior or broken configurations. It works; I know since I had a server getting abused, no resources allocated for what I knew needed to be done, and I got RBLd. Suddenly, I had the resources to complete POP-before-SMTP and anti-relaying within the time it took me to explain what went on. It was also a suprise due to ...bad WHOIS data!

Wow, I feel like James Burke; here we are back at the start of the conversation. Goodbye Dean, stand alongside Fleming in my ruleset. Learn how to be funny from him, ok?