Re: (OT) Firearms Was: UN declares Internet access a "human right"
Don't leave the house without my Glock 23 on my side. Truck always has a loaded 12ga in it. In the house, I've got a handful of pistols and my SR-556 (AR-15) in the "Guns and servers" closet. I've had people call me Paranoid more then once. My stance is "Better to have it and not need it, Then need it and not have it." By banning guns from a community, Your only taking them out of the hands of law abiding citizens. Not like most criminals get guns via legal channels in the first place. -Nick Olsen ---------------------------------------- From: "Daniel Seagraves" <dseagrav@humancapitaldev.com> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 10:34 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: (OT) Firearms Was: UN declares Internet access a "human right" On Jun 6, 2011, at 8:41 AM, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
Nice try, but the human right you just made a case for is "the right to rid yourself of criminals and despots". A "fundamental right" for citizens to have firearms does *not* automatically follow. Yes, despots usually need to be removed by force. What Ghandi showed was that the force didn't have to be military - there are other types of force that work well too...
I believe that as a law-abiding citizen, I should have the right to be at least as well-armed as the average criminal. If the average criminal has access to firearms, then I should have that option as well. I should not be forced into a disadvantage against criminals by virtue of my compliance with the law. Once law enforcement is effective enough to prevent the average criminal from having access to firearms, then the law-abiding population can be compelled to disarm. This stance can result in an escalation scenario in which criminals strive to remain better-armed than their intended victims, but the job of law enforcement is to prevent them from being successful. At present, the average criminal in my area does not have firearms, and so I do not own one. Gun crime is on the increase, however, so this situation may change.
nothing like 40 short and wimpy! Might I interest you in a 45? :) On 6/6/2011 11:37 AM, Nick Olsen wrote:
Don't leave the house without my Glock 23 on my side. Truck always has a loaded 12ga in it. In the house, I've got a handful of pistols and my SR-556 (AR-15) in the "Guns and servers" closet. I've had people call me Paranoid more then once. My stance is "Better to have it and not need it, Then need it and not have it." By banning guns from a community, Your only taking them out of the hands of law abiding citizens. Not like most criminals get guns via legal channels in the first place.
-Nick Olsen
---------------------------------------- From: "Daniel Seagraves" <dseagrav@humancapitaldev.com> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 10:34 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: (OT) Firearms Was: UN declares Internet access a "human right"
On Jun 6, 2011, at 8:41 AM, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
Nice try, but the human right you just made a case for is "the right to rid yourself of criminals and despots". A "fundamental right" for citizens to have firearms does *not* automatically follow. Yes, despots usually need to be removed by force. What Ghandi showed was that the force didn't have to be military - there are other types of force that work well too... I believe that as a law-abiding citizen, I should have the right to be at least as well-armed as the average criminal. If the average criminal has access to firearms, then I should have that option as well. I should not be forced into a disadvantage against criminals by virtue of my compliance with the law. Once law enforcement is effective enough to prevent the average criminal from having access to firearms, then the law-abiding population can be compelled to disarm. This stance can result in an escalation scenario in which criminals strive to remain better-armed than their intended victims, but the job of law enforcement is to prevent them from being successful.
At present, the average criminal in my area does not have firearms, and so I do not own one. Gun crime is on the increase, however, so this situation may change.
Agree 110% - wish Canada had similar laws as the USA does... way too restrictive here. The folks that are legal get thrown in jail much faster than the guys who break into your house in the first place. Paul -----Original Message----- From: Nick Olsen [mailto:nick@flhsi.com] Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 11:38 AM To: Daniel Seagraves; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: (OT) Firearms Was: UN declares Internet access a "human right" Don't leave the house without my Glock 23 on my side. Truck always has a loaded 12ga in it. In the house, I've got a handful of pistols and my SR-556 (AR-15) in the "Guns and servers" closet. I've had people call me Paranoid more then once. My stance is "Better to have it and not need it, Then need it and not have it." By banning guns from a community, Your only taking them out of the hands of law abiding citizens. Not like most criminals get guns via legal channels in the first place. -Nick Olsen
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Joshua-Lee-Campbell-Server-Shoot-Gun-alcoho... Just don't end up like this guy. He's a personal hero of mine. We've all wanted to do this before but he had the liquid courage to do it and yet another reason to own a 45 ;-)
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