RE: New Draft Document: De-boganising New Address Blocks
William,
william(at)elan.net wrote: [http://www.cymru.com/BGP/bogon-rs.html] Unfortunetly this is kind-of a bgp hack and as has been already mentioned it needs very carefull implemention
This is not positive thinking. I don't consider this a hack (if it is, then the draft that proposes to re-use ORF mechanisms is even worse). I'm not interested in what things were designed to do, I'm interested in what things _can_ do. I use [Cymru] myself as I am within the applicability domain. I use your stuff too. However, you might be borderline to abusing co-author privileges here; Team Cymru has lead the route-server project for long, and although the bogon list is by nature a lot less controversial than what you do the bottom line is the acceptance of Cymru's feed is far greater than Completewhois. Please don't use draft-py-idr-redisfilter-01.txt as a platform to compete with other co-authors; collaborative competition is sound, please stay within its borders. Thanks Michel.
On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, Michel Py wrote:
William,
william(at)elan.net wrote: [http://www.cymru.com/BGP/bogon-rs.html] Unfortunetly this is kind-of a bgp hack and as has been already mentioned it needs very carefull implemention
This is not positive thinking. I don't consider this a hack (if it is, then the draft that proposes to re-use ORF mechanisms is even worse).
Quite a bit of difference I think, ORF is almost perfect fit for it. You seem to think that when I say its a hack it necessarily means its a very bad thing. Not at all, I use(d) hacks in DoS, Windows, PalmOS, Linux, etc. all the time. Hacks often lead to real feature in the OS or program in the future, which is hopefully what will happen here.
I'm not interested in what things were designed to do, I'm interested in what things _can_ do.
I use [Cymru] myself as I am within the applicability domain. I use your stuff too. However, you might be borderline to abusing co-author privileges here; Team Cymru has lead the route-server project for long, Nobody is disputing their longterm efforts in this area.
and although the bogon list is by nature a lot less controversial than what you do the bottom line is the acceptance of Cymru's feed is far greater than Completewhois. There is no feed from completewhois to even try to compare at this time. (you can compare dns feed, but that is slightly different). And when there is it might different purpose and one might better in one situation or the other.
Please don't use draft-py-idr-redisfilter-01.txt as a platform to compete with other co-authors; collaborative competition is sound, please stay within its borders. I dont really compete with other authors at all, in fact its not even easily possible as completewhois does not even provide production BGP feed at this time. And I don't intend to make this into some kind or race in the future either - the lists are different and have slightly different levels of activity they are trying to protect from.
And going OT here, I really do not see a problem with two or more implementations, we have this at many levels and reality is that it actually leads to highier degree of innovation. As an example I'm quite happy that there is both FreeBSD and Linux or both Gnome and K-Desktop. (although wars between proponents of one of the other can sometimes be a bit disturbing). Its too bad on the other hand we only have one "Windows". -- William Leibzon Elan Networks william@elan.net
BTW - in the email it meant to be just stand DOS (Original IBM PC Operating System based on CP/M), I automaticly write small "o" now when using this word because of how I've used it in the last sevaral years On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, william(at)elan.net wrote:
On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, Michel Py wrote:
William,
william(at)elan.net wrote: [http://www.cymru.com/BGP/bogon-rs.html] Unfortunetly this is kind-of a bgp hack and as has been already mentioned it needs very carefull implemention
This is not positive thinking. I don't consider this a hack (if it is, then the draft that proposes to re-use ORF mechanisms is even worse).
Quite a bit of difference I think, ORF is almost perfect fit for it.
You seem to think that when I say its a hack it necessarily means its a very bad thing. Not at all, I use(d) hacks in DoS, Windows, PalmOS, Linux, etc. all the time. Hacks often lead to real feature in the OS or program in the future, which is hopefully what will happen here.
I'm not interested in what things were designed to do, I'm interested in what things _can_ do.
I use [Cymru] myself as I am within the applicability domain. I use your stuff too. However, you might be borderline to abusing co-author privileges here; Team Cymru has lead the route-server project for long, Nobody is disputing their longterm efforts in this area.
and although the bogon list is by nature a lot less controversial than what you do the bottom line is the acceptance of Cymru's feed is far greater than Completewhois. There is no feed from completewhois to even try to compare at this time. (you can compare dns feed, but that is slightly different). And when there is it might different purpose and one might better in one situation or the other.
Please don't use draft-py-idr-redisfilter-01.txt as a platform to compete with other co-authors; collaborative competition is sound, please stay within its borders. I dont really compete with other authors at all, in fact its not even easily possible as completewhois does not even provide production BGP feed at this time. And I don't intend to make this into some kind or race in the future either - the lists are different and have slightly different levels of activity they are trying to protect from.
And going OT here, I really do not see a problem with two or more implementations, we have this at many levels and reality is that it actually leads to highier degree of innovation. As an example I'm quite happy that there is both FreeBSD and Linux or both Gnome and K-Desktop. (although wars between proponents of one of the other can sometimes be a bit disturbing). Its too bad on the other hand we only have one "Windows".
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