I need your opinion on InterNAP. I am currently have a DS3 to my current provider and want to add an additional DS3 for redundancy to the same location. We plan to run BGP4 on both connections. InterNap has some technology to avoid congested peering points. Does this technology actually work? Isn't it impossible to avoid these peering points? What are your experiences with InterNAP? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Tom Schmidt [tsch52@hotmail.com] wrote:
InterNap has some technology to avoid congested peering points. Does this technology actually work? Isn't it impossible to avoid these peering points? What are your experiences with InterNAP?
I'm not a customer, but I spoke with a salesdriod there. All they do is go in, set up their own geographicly disperse private peering points and link them together with their private backbone. They set these things up by buying service from the other large backbone folk. The idea being that, in general, if they can get their traffic onto the same backbone that the end user is connected to, then it's avoided the public peering points. It's a good theory. Dunno if it works. Mike -- Mike Johnson Network Engineer / iSun Networks, Inc. Morrisville, NC All opinions are mine, not those of my employer
Its good in theory, But last time i looked into them, they still didnt have very good connectivity to exodus and above etc. so, your traffic ends up traversing their good cw and uunet links and the like, so to get to places like exodus and above you are still crossing the PX's - Via other carriers, not internap :) But, i would have to say they would be one of my first options if i was looking to develop a facility with only 1 single-homed link. -dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Johnson" <mike.johnson@isunnetworks.com> To: "Tom Schmidt" <tsch52@hotmail.com> Cc: <nanog@merit.edu> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 6:52 PM Subject: Re: InterNAP?
Tom Schmidt [tsch52@hotmail.com] wrote:
InterNap has some technology to avoid congested peering points. Does
this
technology actually work? Isn't it impossible to avoid these peering points? What are your experiences with InterNAP?
I'm not a customer, but I spoke with a salesdriod there. All they do is go in, set up their own geographicly disperse private peering points and link them together with their private backbone. They set these things up by buying service from the other large backbone folk. The idea being that, in general, if they can get their traffic onto the same backbone that the end user is connected to, then it's avoided the public peering points. It's a good theory. Dunno if it works.
Mike -- Mike Johnson Network Engineer / iSun Networks, Inc. Morrisville, NC All opinions are mine, not those of my employer
InterNap has some technology to avoid congested peering points. Does this technology actually work? Isn't it impossible to avoid these peering points? What are your experiences with InterNAP?
I'm not a customer, but I spoke with a salesdriod there. All they do is go in, set up their own geographicly disperse private peering points and link them together with their private backbone. They set these
Wrong. The PNAPs are islands and are not connected together. I'm not saying which is better or worse. You're thinking Savvis.
Tom Schmidt wrote:
I need your opinion on InterNAP. I am currently have a DS3 to my current provider and want to add an additional DS3 for redundancy to the same location. We plan to run BGP4 on both connections.
InterNap has some technology to avoid congested peering points. Does this technology actually work? Isn't it impossible to avoid these peering points? What are your experiences with InterNAP?
If you know what you're getting, then they deliver essentially what you would expect. The problem is that they'd like to lead you to believe that you're getting something magic, thanks to their super-cool ultra-confidential technology that nobody else has. In reality, it's just a computer that scans the BGP tables once a day, throws a few other parameters into the equation, and adjusts prepending and local preferences accordingly. It doesn't have any special provisions to avoid a tempermental route any more than any other BGP speaker. You won't have extra immunity from a fiber cut in Washington because of automated response to fluctuating routes, but you will be at an advantage because you have multiple carriers at your disposal. You, the end-user, have very little control over this. It's the typical BGP problem: you can classify and organize outbound traffic (inbound routes) to your heart's content, but you're very limited in what you can do with inbound traffic (your route announcements). This is probably fine if you're singly homed to InterNAP or if you're dual-homed to InterNAP and a non-Tier 1 NSP. It's probably also fine if you plan on using InterNAP purely as a backup. The argument against InterNAP's philosophy of avoiding public peering is to point out that if you were to multi-home yourself to two of the biggest three or four Tier 1 NSPs that InterNAP buys bandwidth from, you'd probably avoid the bulk of the congested public peering points anyway. (Did you really think that MAE-East was the route of choice between BBN^H^H^HGTEI^H^H^H^HGenuity and AT&T?) In addition, you'd have finer control over your traffic. Based on my observations, between half and two thirds of the traffic you would receive through InterNAP comes through a single NSP that InterNAP's bought bandwidth from, evidence that you might be better off connecting to that NSP directly. (I'm not going to tell you which one it is, but I'm sure you can figure it out if you don't know already.) Outbound, they only prefer that carrier about 40% of the time. (Like I said, you always have finer control over outbound traffic, and InterNAP is no exception.) As far as procedures go, InterNAP is very bureaucratic, bordering on the obsessive. On the plus side, they do seem to be well-organized and responsive, probably owing mostly to the bureacracy. Their engineers seem knowledgable and competent. InterNAP gives you a direct connection to about ten backbones, depending on the POP you connect to. If that's what you were shopping for, then look no further. Mark -- Do not reply directly to this e-mail address -- Mark Mentovai UNIX Engineer Gillette Global Network
We use InterNAP as one of our providers, we've not had problems with link status or usage of the bandwidth that has been spoken of here. The biggest problem we have with it is the cost, while other carriers for the most part are a lot cheaper and are considering reducing rates for higher-capacity lines, it appears that InterNAP will have none of that. Andrew --- Director of Security & Network Engineering NetLedger, Inc. On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, Tom Schmidt wrote:
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 22:41:40 GMT From: Tom Schmidt <tsch52@hotmail.com> To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: InterNAP?
I need your opinion on InterNAP. I am currently have a DS3 to my current provider and want to add an additional DS3 for redundancy to the same location. We plan to run BGP4 on both connections.
InterNap has some technology to avoid congested peering points. Does this technology actually work? Isn't it impossible to avoid these peering points? What are your experiences with InterNAP?
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Alex
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Andrew Daniels
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David A. Snodgrass
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Mark Mentovai
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Mike Johnson
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Tom Schmidt