OT: Lost job? Need help? NANOG Recruiting BOF!
Hey, folks. It's pretty much a fact of life that layoffs are evident. They've happened to a lot of us already, as I know from talking to many people on this list and elsewhere. The market's terrible, and I know that there are a lot of people surfing through job sites not really finding anything. Those of you that are in this boat like I am, it might make more sense to network with each other - as a result, i'd like to start a recruiting BOF for people in the NANOG circle. I'd like to suggest as a starting point that interested parties looking for a job send mail to me privately with a brief overview of your qualifications and a link to a place for your resume. I'll create a webpage and mailing list with this information before the holidays, and i'll send a summary to nanog containing the relevant information for both employers and candidates. Please also include what type of job/ideal function you'd like to be in, and your key area of expertise. If you're an employer needing to be connected with candidates, or you know of any recruiting firms or friends in that business who are having trouble finding qualified network engineering, operations, or design staff with the flood of people in the marketplace, please also send me mail so I can add that information to the list. Thanks! Tim
This is a very good idea Timothy. As part of the Excite@Home RIF, myself and all others in the Toronto Network Operations Center found ourselves without a position last friday. Any and all help would be appreciated in finding myself in a new position quickly. I would really hate to loose the knowledge I gained over the past year on the grave shift. My info will be sent to you shortly. Kim On Sunday 16 December 2001 11:21 pm, Timothy Brown wrote:
Hey, folks.
It's pretty much a fact of life that layoffs are evident. They've happened to a lot of us already, as I know from talking to many people on this list and elsewhere. The market's terrible, and I know that there are a lot of people surfing through job sites not really finding anything. Those of you that are in this boat like I am, it might make more sense to network with each other - as a result, i'd like to start a recruiting BOF for people in the NANOG circle.
I'd like to suggest as a starting point that interested parties looking for a job send mail to me privately with a brief overview of your qualifications and a link to a place for your resume. I'll create a webpage and mailing list with this information before the holidays, and i'll send a summary to nanog containing the relevant information for both employers and candidates.
Please also include what type of job/ideal function you'd like to be in, and your key area of expertise.
If you're an employer needing to be connected with candidates, or you know of any recruiting firms or friends in that business who are having trouble finding qualified network engineering, operations, or design staff with the flood of people in the marketplace, please also send me mail so I can add that information to the list.
Thanks!
Tim
### On Sun, 16 Dec 2001 23:21:27 -0500, Timothy Brown ### <timothy.brown@pobox.com> casually decided to expound upon ### nanog@merit.edu the following thoughts about "OT: Lost job? Need help? ### NANOG Recruiting BOF!": TB> that are in this boat like I am, it might make more sense to network TB> with each other - as a result, i'd like to start a recruiting BOF for TB> people in the NANOG circle. TB> TB> I'd like to suggest as a starting point that interested parties looking for TB> a job send mail to me privately with a brief overview of your qualifications TB> and a link to a place for your resume. I'll create a webpage and mailing TB> list with this information before the holidays, and i'll send a summary to TB> nanog containing the relevant information for both employers and candidates. While I appreciate the efforts involved in bringing together people and employers (I too have been unemployed due to recent layoffs), I would caution us to distance this from NANOG as it does not fit the charter of NANOG. -- /*===================[ Jake Khuon <khuon@NEEBU.Net> ]======================+ | Packet Plumber, Network Engineers /| / [~ [~ |) | | --------------- | | for Effective Bandwidth Utilisation / |/ [_ [_ |) |_| N E T W O R K S | +=========================================================================*/
Jake Khuon wrote:
### On Sun, 16 Dec 2001 23:21:27 -0500, Timothy Brown ### <timothy.brown@pobox.com> casually decided to expound upon ### nanog@merit.edu the following thoughts about "OT: Lost job? Need help? ### NANOG Recruiting BOF!":
TB> that are in this boat like I am, it might make more sense to network TB> with each other - as a result, i'd like to start a recruiting BOF for TB> people in the NANOG circle. TB> TB> I'd like to suggest as a starting point that interested parties looking for TB> a job send mail to me privately with a brief overview of your qualifications TB> and a link to a place for your resume. I'll create a webpage and mailing TB> list with this information before the holidays, and i'll send a summary to TB> nanog containing the relevant information for both employers and candidates.
While I appreciate the efforts involved in bringing together people and employers (I too have been unemployed due to recent layoffs), I would caution us to distance this from NANOG as it does not fit the charter of NANOG.
Hmmm... Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. Keeping the quality people on the net on the net and able to keep the net humming is definitely, in my opinion, a Network Issue requiring Coordination, under the current circumstances. As such, I think this is at least a gray area. Besides, NANOG is a community. NANOG BOFs cover things that may or may not be within the NANOG charter, but which impact the NANOG community. As such, I think it's entirely appropriate to a BOF. Owen (One of the lucky few that hasn't been RIF'd yet)
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While I appreciate the efforts involved in bringing together people and employers (I too have been unemployed due to recent layoffs), I would caution us to distance this from NANOG as it does not fit the charter of NANOG. perhaps a secondary list? its not as if a list is hard to set up...
While I appreciate the efforts involved in bringing together people and employers (I too have been unemployed due to recent layoffs), I would caution us to distance this from NANOG as it does not fit the charter of NANOG.
ag! sorry people - this piece of MS crap my employer wishes me to use decided of its own free will to strip the quote levels *sigh* --- should have read --- perhaps a secondary list? its not as if a list is hard to set up...
Hi again, folks - I have some clarifications to make and I wanted to post my summary. First and foremost, i'd like to make an apology to those who misinterpreted this post. I have no intention of making this any kind of a formal BOF proposition to the program committee, and no desire for NANOG meetings to turn into recruiting events. Secondly, this group i've created has no official affiliation with NANOG. Third and finally, the BOF is really just a network to share leads. We all know how hard it is to find positions today, so we're focusing on that. I got a lot of responses - some have been searching for jobs in excess of six months. It's pretty miserable, and I agree with other posters that it indicates at least something of an operational issue, since I know at least some of us have had to deal with RIFs at people we buy transit or services from, thus making it much harder to get problems resolved and fixed (or even to get installations pulled off). I've created a Yahoo! group for this purpose, at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nanog-jobs Several leads have already been posted. I invite you to become a member through the web interface, or by sending mail to me, if you're interested in helping. This will be my last post to nanog on the issue - there will be no further reminders that this group exists. I'll offer additional services, or at the very least a redirector, at the nanog-jobs site as we expand. There's already a database there of leads, and other information. Thanks for all the great responses and votes of support. I'll post more to the nanog-jobs mailing list with some more detail. Sincerely, Tim
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David Howe -
Jake Khuon -
K.Graham -
Owen DeLong -
Timothy Brown