Building Cited for Housing Fuel Tanks Catches Fire [NYT]
X-URL: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/07/nyregion/07HUDS.html?pagewanted=print&position=bottom March 7, 2003 Building Cited for Housing Fuel Tanks Catches Fire By CHARLES V. BAGLI An electrical fire broke out in the basement of an office tower in TriBeCa yesterday, four months after building inspectors said they had discovered illegal diesel fuel tanks installed on the upper floors of the tower. .... The building is one of a half-dozen Manhattan towers that were the subjects of an investigation in November by fire and building officials. The six, known as telecom hotels, house the computers, cables and equipment of international telecommunications and Internet tenants, all of which require backup generators run by diesel fuel to keep the equipment cool. The stored fuel is potentially lethal in an accident or a terrorist attack. The New York Times is withholding the addresses of the buildings at the request of city officials, who cited their importance to international telecommunications and their potential as terrorist targets. According to the violations, inspectors found that five diesel fuel tanks and seven large diesel generators had been installed illegally on upper floors of the TriBeCa building. At the bottom of each citation, the inspector wrote: "Conform fuel storage tanks to code at once." ...... -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
An electrical fire broke out in the basement of an office tower in TriBeCa yesterday, four months after building inspectors said they had discovered illegal diesel fuel tanks installed on the upper floors of the tower.
basement. roof. what is it i am not getting here? osama bin elevator? the ratcheting (rat sh<bleep>ing?) up of the american press hysteria? randy
Speaking on Deep Background, the Press Secretary whispered:
An electrical fire broke out in the basement of an office tower in TriBeCa yesterday, four months after building inspectors said they had discovered illegal diesel fuel tanks installed on the upper floors of the tower.
basement. roof. what is it i am not getting here? osama bin elevator? the ratcheting (rat sh<bleep>ing?) up of the american press hysteria?
Well, fire depts tend to get upset about large amounts of fuel being stored above ground. FDNY is likely to be more upset than most, since every indication is that 7 WTC was destroyed by fire fueled by the large amounts of fuel being stored in it for Lord Combover's EOP. {It was 7? I get them confused...} And that building, NY being NY, did not meet FDNY regs. I'm not an expert on these regs, but my understanding is the SOP is often: a) Anything >n gallons shall be stored below ground or in a special hardened environment. b) Each generator may have one day's supply ("day tank") next to it; a transfer pump can refill it from a). [BTW, make sure the transfer pump is itself on the generator circuit.....] Now, obviously, any fire in such a building refocuses attention. Or have I missed your point? -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
Thus spake "Randy Bush" <randy@psg.com>
An electrical fire broke out in the basement of an office tower in TriBeCa yesterday, four months after building inspectors said they had discovered illegal diesel fuel tanks installed on the upper floors of the tower.
basement. roof. what is it i am not getting here? osama bin elevator? the ratcheting (rat sh<bleep>ing?) up of the american press hysteria?
That's the irony -- if the fuel had been stored in the basement as required, it might have become involved in the otherwise-unrelated electrical fire. Four months isn't much time to comply with the code; I doubt the building owner could have even gotten the permits to start work in that time, much less finish construction, testing, and moving the fuel. Sure, it should have been done right in the first place, but it's too late to argue that. S Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
Speaking on Deep Background, the Press Secretary whispered:
That's the irony -- if the fuel had been stored in the basement as required, it might have become involved in the otherwise-unrelated electrical fire.
I doubt that. If the fuel had been stored "...as required..." not just in the basement.... then the wiring likely would have met Category 500 or similar, and it's doubtful there would have been an electrical fire. My point is, it's a BAD time to mess with FDNY. Besides the WTC memory, West Warwick is not that far away from NYC. -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
The New York City Department of Buildings (i.e. the people who review building plans and issue occupancy certificates) was also located in the same building, until July of 2002. http://www.nyc.gov/html/dob/pdf/moving.pdf So far I haven't read in the news reports which tenant or base building was responsible for the space which caught fire.
On Sat, 8 Mar 2003, David Lesher wrote:
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illegally on upper floors of the TriBeCa building. At the bottom of each citation, the inspector wrote: "Conform fuel storage tanks to code at once." ^^^^^^^ good thing that got done in a New York minute. ;-)
- lel
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illegally on upper floors of the TriBeCa building. At the bottom of each citation, the inspector wrote: "Conform fuel storage tanks to code at once." ^^^^^^^ good thing that got done in a New York minute. ;-)
Yea. One thing to remember is the FD folks can enter, evict everyone and padlock a building at the drop of a hat. No warrant, no probable cause, etc. needed. Ramsey and Co. did so here in DC in the building where WTO protesters were building large caricature puppets. -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
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