From errors-nohumans@merit.edu Mon Nov 16 03:34 MST 1998 To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: RBL quandry - opinions hereby solicited Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 02:17:36 -0800 From: Paul A Vixie <paul@vix.com>
I fully support you if you decide to blackhole Network Solutions. I also support the revocation of their NSF contract for improper use of the domain contact information entrusted to them. This is another round from them, we got several copies of a hostmaster $1000 seminar spam from them a couple of months ago. I despise all spam, especially the scum eminating from Network Solutions, It's time for somebody to take out the trash. NSI needs to be fired for abusing our resources, in my opinion. If they don't have enough bandwidth to handle whois requests and TLD zone transfers to root-servers.net then they sure as hell don't have enough bandwidth to be spamming us at our expense. Off with their head. Dan
The RBL team and I are kind of wondering what to do about some spam we got. Because blackholing NSI would be of operational concern to a lot of you, I've decided to ponder this question out loud:
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 08:50:26 PST To: rbl@maps.vix.com Subject: Paul - value call on this
Technically, this is an opt-out customer-relationship spam.
I think it is a special case, because _there is no where else to go_.
208.226.58.70 should be RBL'ed, IMHO. Help me.
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Dear Customer,
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On Mon, 16 Nov 1998, Dan Maus wrote:
NSI needs to be fired for abusing our resources, in my opinion.
Poppycock! If you really believed this then you would be writing paper letters and sending them via snail mail to your reps in Washington, to the NSF and to the Department of Commerce. How on earth can the government continue to issue the contract for such a critical infrastructure component to a company that has proven itself, time and time again, to be incompetent, both technically and at the managerial level? There must be some kind of Washington backroom dealings or bribery going on. Any one of the major Internet backbone providers could do a better job than NSI. And maybe it's about time that backbone providers band together and create a consortium that could take over this responsibility from the government since backbone providers have the proven operational expertise to run such infrastructure. This includes the root nameserver system and the registration database backend for generic TLDs and the whois system. -- Michael Dillon - E-mail: michael@memra.com Check the website for my Internet World articles - http://www.memra.com
At 08:34 11/16/98 -0700, you wrote:
I also support the revocation of their NSF contract for improper use of the domain contact information entrusted to them.
Their contract is already up. They are on a provisional extension (expiring in Sept 99) until ICANN/whatever can get up and running and take over from them. Of course, that's likely to take a long time, so NSI is getting a de facto contract extension easily well into the spring. Spammers should be investigated by Ken Starr! Dean Robb PC-EASY computer services (757) 495-EASY [3279]
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