Hey, just for kicks I thought I'd forward this along. A little history: I got contacted today by some droid from qwest saying "Who is your network provider?" That's it, 100% of the email. So I wrote back busting his chops a little bit, and his boss writes me trying to cover his ass, and I bust his bosses chops a little, and then I get the following forwarded reply. Anybody know some contacts at qwest who would like to see this? Andy xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Andy Dills 301-682-9972 Xecunet, LLC www.xecu.net xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Dialup * Webhosting * E-Commerce * High-Speed Access ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 17:07:41 -0400 From: "Gull, Jake R" <jake.gull@qwest.com> To: 'Andy Dills' <andy@xecu.net> Subject: RE: Qwest Wow, Pretty big words from a guy that is part owner of a "mom and pop" internet provider.. How many employees do you have this week? Ten? Eleven? The world is your oyster Andy go get em pal. It is pretty hilarious, when I contacted one of your employee's today and asked if Excunet was a publicly traded company, her reply, "what does that mean"? Where did you get that one Burger King? (I'll bet the rest of the Excunet gang is about as sharp as a marble) I was thinking of investing a $100. in your company, but I wouldn't want you sharp "data guru's" to mistake my action as a hostile takeover. Watch out Microsoft, Execunet is playing hardball. Hi from California, where the big dog's play. Just do me one favor Andy... STAY ON THE PORCH. Have a super day.
Wow! So tell me, how does a functional illiterate like yourself get a job at an RBOC these days? Mmm, perhaps that's a foolish question. Did you ever think it would be your inability to communicate that would make you this famous? Can I have your autograph? -Bill
Andy, The following people would definitely be interested: joe.nacchio@qwest.com afshin.mohebbi@qwest.com lewis.wilks@qwest.com On the other hand, you could be a nice guy and give Mr. Gull a day to think about his actions, kiss your butt, and offer a profuse apology, before taking this drastic measure. ;-) ~ews Andy Dills wrote:
Hey, just for kicks I thought I'd forward this along.
A little history: I got contacted today by some droid from qwest saying "Who is your network provider?" That's it, 100% of the email. So I wrote back busting his chops a little bit, and his boss writes me trying to cover his ass, and I bust his bosses chops a little, and then I get the following forwarded reply.
Anybody know some contacts at qwest who would like to see this?
Andy
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Andy Dills 301-682-9972 Xecunet, LLC www.xecu.net xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Dialup * Webhosting * E-Commerce * High-Speed Access
---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 17:07:41 -0400 From: "Gull, Jake R" <jake.gull@qwest.com> To: 'Andy Dills' <andy@xecu.net> Subject: RE: Qwest
Wow,
Pretty big words from a guy that is part owner of a "mom and pop" internet provider.. How many employees do you have this week? Ten? Eleven? The world is your oyster Andy go get em pal. It is pretty hilarious, when I contacted one of your employee's today and asked if Excunet was a publicly traded company, her reply, "what does that mean"? Where did you get that one Burger King? (I'll bet the rest of the Excunet gang is about as sharp as a marble) I was thinking of investing a $100. in your company, but I wouldn't want you sharp "data guru's" to mistake my action as a hostile takeover. Watch out Microsoft, Execunet is playing hardball. Hi from California, where the big dog's play. Just do me one favor Andy... STAY ON THE PORCH.
Have a super day.
On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Andy Dills wrote:
Hey, just for kicks I thought I'd forward this along.
A little history: I got contacted today by some droid from qwest saying "Who is your network provider?" That's it, 100% of the email. So I wrote back busting his chops a little bit, and his boss writes me trying to cover his ass, and I bust his bosses chops a little, and then I get the following forwarded reply.
Anybody know some contacts at qwest who would like to see this?
One of the guys here just got a call from Qwest asking the exact same thing. (Phone-spam this time, instead..). Are they really this desperate for business? We are seriously considering creating a voicemail box here for "Mr Devnull".... -- Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com> | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500
On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: <SNIP>
We are seriously considering creating a voicemail box here for "Mr Devnull"....
-- Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com> | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500
I have always preferred Dr. Devlin Null ;) -Dennis
On Fri, Apr 13, 2001 at 03:16:16PM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote:
One of the guys here just got a call from Qwest asking the exact same thing. (Phone-spam this time, instead..).
Am I the only person here who doesn't think it's very intrusive of someone to send an email asking "who is your network provider?" I mean, for Pete's sake, it's five words, and it's something any of your customers could ask you. If one of them walks up and asks that, do you spit in their face, or just punch them? Maybe call the police and have them ejected for trespassing? Jeez, just hit "delete" and go on with your life.
Personally I don't think it's an unfair question, however, I would think that it is bad business for Qwest to make that their standard practice. Something like this would probably go much further: Hello, I'm a sales droid from Qwest. I'm wondering who you are using as your network provider, as Qwest has some very exciting opportunities that we think you would be able to take advantage of. If you'd like more information about our services, please reply to this email or give me a call at the number below. Thank you for your time, Mr. Droid __ Matt Levine <matt@deliver3.com> "I used to think that the brain was the most wonderful organ in my body. Then I realized who was telling me this." -- Emo Phillips -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Shawn McMahon Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 4:35 PM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Qwest (fwd) On Fri, Apr 13, 2001 at 03:16:16PM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote:
One of the guys here just got a call from Qwest asking the exact same thing. (Phone-spam this time, instead..).
Am I the only person here who doesn't think it's very intrusive of someone to send an email asking "who is your network provider?" I mean, for Pete's sake, it's five words, and it's something any of your customers could ask you. If one of them walks up and asks that, do you spit in their face, or just punch them? Maybe call the police and have them ejected for trespassing? Jeez, just hit "delete" and go on with your life.
On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, Shawn McMahon wrote:
On Fri, Apr 13, 2001 at 03:16:16PM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote:
One of the guys here just got a call from Qwest asking the exact same thing. (Phone-spam this time, instead..).
Am I the only person here who doesn't think it's very intrusive of someone to send an email asking "who is your network provider?"
If it was sent FROM one person TO one person, it fails one of the primary tests of whether an e-mail is spam. (bulk) If it was mass-mailed to a bunch of people who didn't ask for it, it is spam... if it was mailed to one person, it isn't spam even if that one person never requested it in the first place. -- Steven J. Sobol/CTO/JustThe.net LLC | sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net SAY IT LOUD: I'M GEEK AND I'M PROUD! | 888.480.4NET (4638) 216.619.2NET (2638) http://NorthShoreTechnologies.net | http://ClevelandProductions.com http://JustThe.net | Powered by Linux, pizza, Coke, Cuervo, and cheap beer.
On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, Steven J. Sobol wrote:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, Shawn McMahon wrote:
On Fri, Apr 13, 2001 at 03:16:16PM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote:
One of the guys here just got a call from Qwest asking the exact same thing. (Phone-spam this time, instead..).
Am I the only person here who doesn't think it's very intrusive of someone to send an email asking "who is your network provider?"
If it was sent FROM one person TO one person, it fails one of the primary tests of whether an e-mail is spam. (bulk)
If it was mass-mailed to a bunch of people who didn't ask for it, it is spam... if it was mailed to one person, it isn't spam even if that one person never requested it in the first place.
Numerous noc addresses across the net have received it. Maybe not all at once, as part of one large mailing, but it is most definitely a sustained effort. Andy xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Andy Dills 301-682-9972 Xecunet, LLC www.xecu.net xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Dialup * Webhosting * E-Commerce * High-Speed Access
On Sat, Apr 14, 2001 at 03:31:11PM -0400, Andy Dills wrote:
Numerous noc addresses across the net have received it. Maybe not all at once, as part of one large mailing, but it is most definitely a sustained effort.
Ok, but I still say it's not a burden on the net if they're sending it out manually to one person at a time. As for it being a burden on your time, it's far less so than if they came to your office to speak to you directly, or called you, and those are not responded to with nearly the vehemence (and sometimes violence) of email. For God's sake, you don't have to hang up a phone, or escort someone to a door here; you just hit "delete" and go on.
On Sat, 14 Apr 2001, Shawn McMahon wrote:
For God's sake, you don't have to hang up a phone, or escort someone to a door here; you just hit "delete" and go on.
this is the same excuse spammers use. "just hit delete" yeah, "just hit delete" over 700 times a day, and that number is increasing every day.
On Sat, 14 Apr 2001, Shawn McMahon wrote:
For God's sake, you don't have to hang up a phone, or escort someone to a door here; you just hit "delete" and go on.
Andy could have just deleted it...but the message was rude and unnecessary for a variety of reasons. I know expecting a sales droid to know how to use tools like nslookup or "show ip bgp" on a route server is probably a little too much, but where's the relevance in their even knowing who you use for transit? I suppose if the answer was UUNet/Sprint/BBN, the Qwest response would be "well, we can save you up to 50% on your transit"...and if the response was "we have a frame connection from the mom & pop ISP down the road" the Qwest response would be "well, for just a few more eggs a week, we can provide you with a much faster more reliable connection." If they really want to make sales, there are much better ways to make first contact than "who's your internet provider?". How about "we're currently running a special and we can provide you with full T1/T3 for $X/$Y per month plus (or maybe including) loop with no install fee." A phone call is even better since you can either say "we're not interested" or ask them lots of questions if you are interested or even say things like "but carrier X is selling us that for Y, can't you do better than that?" Coming for a meeting is even better. Make them take you to lunch to pitch their service. Imagine the response you'd get if you managed to get a mailing list of all your competitors' customers and sent them all an email asking "who do you currently use for dial-up access?" Think they'd come beating down your door to buy service from you? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Lewis *jlewis@lewis.org*| I route System Administrator | therefore you are Atlantic Net | _________ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_________
Hello I was wondering if there was a picture or map that could show the the internet traffic in the same way that the now DEFUNCT www.internettrafficreport.com use to show Josef D. Allen
Josef, I have utilized keynotes Internet Health Report at www.internethealthreport.com It does not provide the same reporting as the Internet traffic but it does provide some useful insight on network peering and intra-operational issues. Please let me know of other resources you find..... Thanks, Kevin --- Josef Allen <josallen@cs.fsu.edu> wrote:
Hello I was wondering if there was a picture or map that could show the the internet traffic in the same way that the now DEFUNCT www.internettrafficreport.com use to show
Josef D. Allen
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