Eisenach & the FCC - was: [Re: Here we go again.]
--- jfmezei_nanog@vaxination.ca wrote: The president elect chose Mr Eisenach to help fill jobs in FCC and other telecom areas of govt. ---------------------------------------------------- That'll have impact on ops, if some of the papers are correct. Briefly: https://www.engadget.com/2016/11/09/under-trump-the-future-of-net-neutrality... "Eisenach has made a career out of crusading against industry regulation" "...authored several papers and op-ed pieces that were funded by Net Neutrality opponents ..." http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-fcc-net-neutrality-zero-rating-p... "The Economics of Zero Rating." In it, Eisenach defends the concept, writing that "broad-based bans or restrictions on zero-rating plans are likely to be counterproductive and harm consumer welfare." Interesting times ahead... scott
Before this snowball gets any bigger, I would like to reiterate the previous commenter calling for this present political discussion to move elsewhere. Here's the NANOG AUP we've all agreed to: NANOG Acceptable Use Policy * Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues as described in the charter of NANOG<https://www.nanog.org/history/charter>. * Postings of issues inconsistent with the charter are prohibited. * Postings of political, philosophical, and legal nature are prohibited. You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here. -mel On Nov 13, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Scott Weeks <surfer@mauigateway.com<mailto:surfer@mauigateway.com>> wrote: --- jfmezei_nanog@vaxination.ca<mailto:jfmezei_nanog@vaxination.ca> wrote: The president elect chose Mr Eisenach to help fill jobs in FCC and other telecom areas of govt. ---------------------------------------------------- That'll have impact on ops, if some of the papers are correct. Briefly: https://www.engadget.com/2016/11/09/under-trump-the-future-of-net-neutrality... "Eisenach has made a career out of crusading against industry regulation" "...authored several papers and op-ed pieces that were funded by Net Neutrality opponents ..." http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-fcc-net-neutrality-zero-rating-p... "The Economics of Zero Rating." In it, Eisenach defends the concept, writing that "broad-based bans or restrictions on zero-rating plans are likely to be counterproductive and harm consumer welfare." Interesting times ahead... scott
Public policy affecting networks is a legitimate topic. Net neutrality has been discussed countless times on this board with no objection from anybody. Regards, Roderick. ________________________________ From: NANOG <nanog-bounces@nanog.org> on behalf of Mel Beckman <mel@beckman.org> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 10:37 PM To: surfer@mauigateway.com Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Eisenach & the FCC - was: [Re: Here we go again.] Before this snowball gets any bigger, I would like to reiterate the previous commenter calling for this present political discussion to move elsewhere. Here's the NANOG AUP we've all agreed to: NANOG Acceptable Use Policy * Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues as described in the charter of NANOG<https://www.nanog.org/history/charter>. Current Charter | North American Network Operators Group<https://www.nanog.org/history/charter> www.nanog.org As amended October 6, 2010. 1. Preamble. The North American Network Operators' Group (NANOG) exists to promote dialog between people concerning the creation ... * Postings of issues inconsistent with the charter are prohibited. * Postings of political, philosophical, and legal nature are prohibited. You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here. -mel On Nov 13, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Scott Weeks <surfer@mauigateway.com<mailto:surfer@mauigateway.com>> wrote: --- jfmezei_nanog@vaxination.ca<mailto:jfmezei_nanog@vaxination.ca> wrote: The president elect chose Mr Eisenach to help fill jobs in FCC and other telecom areas of govt. ---------------------------------------------------- That'll have impact on ops, if some of the papers are correct. Briefly: https://www.engadget.com/2016/11/09/under-trump-the-future-of-net-neutrality... [https://s.aolcdn.com/dims5/amp:a6317e0b93421c087f056ab209b700d98a021849/t:1200,630/q:80/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fs.aolcdn.com%2Fdims-shared%2Fdims3%2FGLOB%2Fcrop%2F4666x2539%2B0%2B0%2Fresize%2F1600x871%21%2Fformat%2Fjpg%2Fquality%2F85%2Fhttps%3A%2F%2Fs.aolcdn.com%2Fhss%2Fstorage%2Fmidas%2F914aeeebf580a22eca2109764d528600%2F204549332%2F2d3a00d2e6d34d28a309ce5a6622451b.jpeg]<https://www.engadget.com/2016/11/09/under-trump-the-future-of-net-neutrality-and-broadband-is-uncert> Under Trump the future of Net Neutrality and broadband is uncertain<https://www.engadget.com/2016/11/09/under-trump-the-future-of-net-neutrality-and-broadband-is-uncert> www.engadget.com On January 20th, Donald Trump will be sworn in as president of the United States. With a Republican-controlled House and Senate behind him, things in this count... "Eisenach has made a career out of crusading against industry regulation" "...authored several papers and op-ed pieces that were funded by Net Neutrality opponents ..." http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-fcc-net-neutrality-zero-rating-p... "The Economics of Zero Rating." In it, Eisenach defends the concept, writing that "broad-based bans or restrictions on zero-rating plans are likely to be counterproductive and harm consumer welfare." Interesting times ahead... scott
Rod, I respectfully disagree. This is discussing politics, not the "operational and technical issues" of NANOG's charter. There are other venues for politics. NANOG's AUP prohibits political discussions. -mel On Nov 13, 2016, at 1:42 PM, Rod Beck <rod.beck@unitedcablecompany.com<mailto:rod.beck@unitedcablecompany.com>> wrote: Public policy affecting networks is a legitimate topic. Net neutrality has been discussed countless times on this board with no objection from anybody. Regards, Roderick. ________________________________ From: NANOG <nanog-bounces@nanog.org<mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org>> on behalf of Mel Beckman <mel@beckman.org<mailto:mel@beckman.org>> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 10:37 PM To: surfer@mauigateway.com<mailto:surfer@mauigateway.com> Cc: nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Eisenach & the FCC - was: [Re: Here we go again.] Before this snowball gets any bigger, I would like to reiterate the previous commenter calling for this present political discussion to move elsewhere. Here's the NANOG AUP we've all agreed to: NANOG Acceptable Use Policy * Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues as described in the charter of NANOG<https://www.nanog.org/history/charter>. Current Charter | North American Network Operators Group<https://www.nanog.org/history/charter> www.nanog.org<http://www.nanog.org> As amended October 6, 2010. 1. Preamble. The North American Network Operators' Group (NANOG) exists to promote dialog between people concerning the creation ... * Postings of issues inconsistent with the charter are prohibited. * Postings of political, philosophical, and legal nature are prohibited. You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here. -mel On Nov 13, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Scott Weeks <surfer@mauigateway.com<mailto:surfer@mauigateway.com><mailto:surfer@mauigateway.com>> wrote: --- jfmezei_nanog@vaxination.ca<mailto:jfmezei_nanog@vaxination.ca><mailto:jfmezei_nanog@vaxination.ca> wrote: The president elect chose Mr Eisenach to help fill jobs in FCC and other telecom areas of govt. ---------------------------------------------------- That'll have impact on ops, if some of the papers are correct. Briefly: https://www.engadget.com/2016/11/09/under-trump-the-future-of-net-neutrality... [https://s.aolcdn.com/dims5/amp:a6317e0b93421c087f056ab209b700d98a021849/t:1200,630/q:80/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fs.aolcdn.com%2Fdims-shared%2Fdims3%2FGLOB%2Fcrop%2F4666x2539%2B0%2B0%2Fresize%2F1600x871%21%2Fformat%2Fjpg%2Fquality%2F85%2Fhttps%3A%2F%2Fs.aolcdn.com%2Fhss%2Fstorage%2Fmidas%2F914aeeebf580a22eca2109764d528600%2F204549332%2F2d3a00d2e6d34d28a309ce5a6622451b.jpeg]<https://www.engadget.com/2016/11/09/under-trump-the-future-of-net-neutrality-and-broadband-is-uncert> Under Trump the future of Net Neutrality and broadband is uncertain<https://www.engadget.com/2016/11/09/under-trump-the-future-of-net-neutrality-and-broadband-is-uncert> www.engadget.com<http://www.engadget.com> On January 20th, Donald Trump will be sworn in as president of the United States. With a Republican-controlled House and Senate behind him, things in this count... "Eisenach has made a career out of crusading against industry regulation" "...authored several papers and op-ed pieces that were funded by Net Neutrality opponents ..." http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-fcc-net-neutrality-zero-rating-p... "The Economics of Zero Rating." In it, Eisenach defends the concept, writing that "broad-based bans or restrictions on zero-rating plans are likely to be counterproductive and harm consumer welfare." Interesting times ahead... scott
Whether it's politics, non-politics, related, offtopic, whatever. It has been discussed in here for lengths and overlengths. This one is no different. And hey, rules exist to be bend >:-) Second, the content of the topic will affect ALL of us, whether you are an ISP, simple admin/tech or anyone else watching and participating on this list as it discusses changes that are to be expected getting a new president with his new associates who probably only looks at the cashflow without having any clue about the technical difficulties and problems they will cause. In all the time I am monitoring nanog know, there is one thing I learned: If you don't like it, simply move it to /dev/null and ignore the contents. On Sun, November 13, 2016 11:01 pm, Mel Beckman wrote:
Rod,
I respectfully disagree. This is discussing politics, not the "operational and technical issues" of NANOG's charter.
There are other venues for politics. NANOG's AUP prohibits political discussions.
-mel
On Nov 13, 2016, at 1:42 PM, Rod Beck <rod.beck@unitedcablecompany.com<mailto:rod.beck@unitedcablecompany.com>> wrote:
Public policy affecting networks is a legitimate topic. Net neutrality has been discussed countless times on this board with no objection from anybody.
Regards,
Roderick.
________________________________ From: NANOG <nanog-bounces@nanog.org<mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org>> on behalf of Mel Beckman <mel@beckman.org<mailto:mel@beckman.org>> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 10:37 PM To: surfer@mauigateway.com<mailto:surfer@mauigateway.com> Cc: nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Eisenach & the FCC - was: [Re: Here we go again.]
Before this snowball gets any bigger, I would like to reiterate the previous commenter calling for this present political discussion to move elsewhere. Here's the NANOG AUP we've all agreed to:
NANOG Acceptable Use Policy
* Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues as described in the charter of NANOG<https://www.nanog.org/history/charter>. Current Charter | North American Network Operators Group<https://www.nanog.org/history/charter> www.nanog.org<http://www.nanog.org> As amended October 6, 2010. 1. Preamble. The North American Network Operators' Group (NANOG) exists to promote dialog between people concerning the creation ...
* Postings of issues inconsistent with the charter are prohibited.
* Postings of political, philosophical, and legal nature are prohibited.
You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here.
-mel
On Nov 13, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Scott Weeks <surfer@mauigateway.com<mailto:surfer@mauigateway.com><mailto:surfer@mauigateway.com>> wrote:
--- jfmezei_nanog@vaxination.ca<mailto:jfmezei_nanog@vaxination.ca><mailto:jfmezei_nanog@vaxination.ca> wrote:
The president elect chose Mr Eisenach to help fill jobs in FCC and other telecom areas of govt. ----------------------------------------------------
That'll have impact on ops, if some of the papers are correct. Briefly:
https://www.engadget.com/2016/11/09/under-trump-the-future-of-net-neutrality... [https://s.aolcdn.com/dims5/amp:a6317e0b93421c087f056ab209b700d98a021849/t:1200,630/q:80/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fs.aolcdn.com%2Fdims-shared%2Fdims3%2FGLOB%2Fcrop%2F4666x2539%2B0%2B0%2Fresize%2F1600x871%21%2Fformat%2Fjpg%2Fquality%2F85%2Fhttps%3A%2F%2Fs.aolcdn.com%2Fhss%2Fstorage%2Fmidas%2F914aeeebf580a22eca2109764d528600%2F204549332%2F2d3a00d2e6d34d28a309ce5a6622451b.jpeg]<https://www.engadget.com/2016/11/09/under-trump-the-future-of-net-neutrality-and-broadband-is-uncert>
Under Trump the future of Net Neutrality and broadband is uncertain<https://www.engadget.com/2016/11/09/under-trump-the-future-of-net-neutrality-and-broadband-is-uncert> www.engadget.com<http://www.engadget.com> On January 20th, Donald Trump will be sworn in as president of the United States. With a Republican-controlled House and Senate behind him, things in this count...
"Eisenach has made a career out of crusading against industry regulation"
"...authored several papers and op-ed pieces that were funded by Net Neutrality opponents ..."
http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-fcc-net-neutrality-zero-rating-p...
"The Economics of Zero Rating." In it, Eisenach defends the concept, writing that "broad-based bans or restrictions on zero-rating plans are likely to be counterproductive and harm consumer welfare."
Interesting times ahead...
scott
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