Does anyone know to go about getting Qwest or a CLEC to patch through a dry pair between two buildings connected to the same CO? When I called to order one, no one knew what I was talking about. -jay
Have you tried ordering it as an "alarm circuit"? Also, it seems like telcos are less willing to provide dry pair anymore. On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Austad, Jay wrote: :> :>Does anyone know to go about getting Qwest or a CLEC to patch through a dry :>pair between two buildings connected to the same CO? :> :>When I called to order one, no one knew what I was talking about. :> :>-jay :>
Good luck getting one from anything but and old-bell. New LECs tend to think only in terms of the switch side, since the last mile belongs to the ILEC anyway. Even the ones that know it don't want to support it, as they can't do any remote testing when it dies, requiring local "wire and cable" staff. Use old-bell terms, "dry pair" is very much a network admin's term. "alarm circuit," "off-premise extension line," (like if you had your own PBX and need another office to run off it), "series 1100" line, or maybe LADS. On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 11:08:10AM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote:
Does anyone know to go about getting Qwest or a CLEC to patch through a dry pair between two buildings connected to the same CO?
When I called to order one, no one knew what I was talking about.
-jay
-- Ray Wong rayw@rayw.net
Here is the Qwest Tariff (assuming your in Colorado.) http://tariffs.uswest.com:8000/docs/TARIFFS/Colorado/COAC/co_a_c_s007p00 1.pdf#USW-TOC000000 See sheet 16, near the bottom of the page... It looks like you want an NB3 circuit with DC continuity. -R
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Austad, Jay Sent: August 29, 2003 12:08 PM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: dry pair
Does anyone know to go about getting Qwest or a CLEC to patch through a dry pair between two buildings connected to the same CO?
When I called to order one, no one knew what I was talking about.
-jay
Austad, Jay wrote:
Does anyone know to go about getting Qwest or a CLEC to patch through a dry pair between two buildings connected to the same CO?
When I called to order one, no one knew what I was talking about.
-jay
Most of the other responses have covered the various terms to try when ordering this type of ckt. All I can say is good luck. I did this back in 1994 with some HDSL modems from Pairgain and it worked like a charm. (btw, I got the 2 ckts I needed for the connection by ordering 2 "alarm ckts" and then rewiring the separate jacks into a single jack for the modem) However, this was before the days of mass DSL deployment and CLECs. The local loop is managed a little tighter these days and ILECs are a lot less willing to sell this type of service. As someone else said, even if you can get a sales rep to sell it to you, getting it repaired when it fails will be quite a challenge. Seems like business DSL would be less headache in the long run. -- Wayne Gustavus --
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Wayne wrote:
if you can get a sales rep to sell it to you, getting it repaired when it fails will be quite a challenge. Seems like business DSL would be less headache in the long run.
it "seems" like it would, but thats not the case. our lads circuits stay up for years straight 24/7, while the ilec dsl network shits itself silly every couple months. -Dan -- [-] Omae no subete no kichi wa ore no mono da. [-]
Dan Hollis wrote:
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Wayne wrote:
if you can get a sales rep to sell it to you, getting it repaired when it fails will be quite a challenge. Seems like business DSL would be less headache in the long run.
it "seems" like it would, but thats not the case.
our lads circuits stay up for years straight 24/7, while the ilec dsl
Luckily you seem to have avoided any "John Deere Cable Sniffers" for an extended period of time. :-)
network shits itself silly every couple months.
Perhaps a different DSL provider?
-Dan
You make a valid point: why fix something that isn't broken (yet). You apparently already accomplished what I would view as the hardest part of this solution--the successful ordering and installation of the service. -- Wayne Gustavus --
Getting it to work at all can be a challenge. Alarm circuits are not groomed to remove stray drops that got cut at the house, not at the pole, etc. We looked at rolling out DSL 2 years ago using our own DSL equipment cause sprint didn't have dslams installed. They had conveniently pulled their tariff for alarm circuits. Dry pairs were $70/mo each and the install was $100+. When I asked them the process, they said the x-conn'd the customer prem pair to our pair and hoped it worked. If it didn't, THEN they would go clean it up. IF you can still get an alarm circuit, good luck getting it cleaned up if bridge taps are wreaking havoc, and they will with some DSL gear. We were told the alarm circuits were rated for up to 1200bps. Then again, I have another client who orders them from Sprint all the time for OPX voice use. As a friend of mine once observed, its who you know and who you _____. Eric
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Wayne Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 9:52 PM To: Austad, Jay Cc: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: dry pair
Austad, Jay wrote:
Does anyone know to go about getting Qwest or a CLEC to patch through a dry pair between two buildings connected to the same CO?
When I called to order one, no one knew what I was talking about.
-jay
Most of the other responses have covered the various terms to try when ordering this type of ckt. All I can say is good luck. I did this back in 1994 with some HDSL modems from Pairgain and it worked like a charm. (btw, I got the 2 ckts I needed for the connection by ordering 2 "alarm ckts" and then rewiring the separate jacks into a single jack for the modem)
However, this was before the days of mass DSL deployment and CLECs. The local loop is managed a little tighter these days and ILECs are a lot less willing to sell this type of service. As someone else said, even if you can get a sales rep to sell it to you, getting it repaired when it fails will be quite a challenge. Seems like business DSL would be less headache in the long run.
-- Wayne Gustavus --
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