OK, interesting question... a friend of mine lives in upstate NY, where he has Citizens Telecom (or whatever they're calling themselves this week). All the Cits'Tel areas used to be GTE until GTE got kicked out by the PUC for poor customer service. Cits Tel has basically ignored the CO he is served out of -- as well as most of their other NY CO's -- when it comes to hardware upgrades. (not even ISDN is available, nor is it predicted to be available for several years). By comparison, he is only 80 miles north of NYC where Bell Atlantic is beginning DSL rollouts. Other BA areas around him can also get ISDN, although not really at anything considered affordable). Leaving for Bell Atlantic (a 7 mile move) is not an option for various reasons. He has mentioned to me, "what if I formed an CLEC/ISP and started leasing dry copper from CitsTel to provide DSL myself?" at which point he was very much over my head in ability to answer. His sole motivation in this is that he wants to be able to get affordable dedicated access himself. :) (If he could make a decent living at it beating CT to the punch, I'm sure that he wouldn't mind that either). D
On Wed, 21 Jul 1999 15:33:17 -0700, dredd@megacity.org writes:
He has mentioned to me, "what if I formed an CLEC/ISP and started leasing dry copper from CitsTel to provide DSL myself?" at which point he was very much over my head in ability to answer.
He would need to lease space in the CO for a DSLAM, then stick a router there with a connection to an ISP somewhere. Not too difficult if the telco will cooperate. However, line quality could be a big issue. Different types of DSL have different tolerances to things like bridged taps and loading coils. No idea on cost, but I doubt what he's talking about will be cheap without getting lots of subscribers. -Jon ----------------------------------------------------------------- * Jon Green * "Life's a dance * * jcgreen@netins.net * you learn as you go" * * Finger for Geek Code/PGP * * * #include "std_disclaimer.h" * http://users.quadrunner.com/jon * -------------------------------------------------------------------------
OK, interesting question... a friend of mine lives in upstate NY, where he has Citizens Telecom (or whatever they're calling themselves this week).
My sincere condolences.
He has mentioned to me, "what if I formed an CLEC/ISP and started leasing dry copper from CitsTel to provide DSL myself?" at which point he was very much over my head in ability to answer.
No can do, evidently. A friend runs an ISP in Ithaca NY, and provides DSL by renting a dry pair from the CO to the customer and a second very cheap dry pair to an equipment room he's rented next door to the CO and tying them together at the CO, with no colo'ed stuff. Bell's been quite cooperative, even removing bridge taps and the like for him. He's had no luck getting Citizens to do anything for him in the adjacent town. The size of the telco isn't the problem, by the way, it's just that some telcos have a bad attitude. I live on the other side of Ithaca where I'm served by a truly tiny family owned telco, whose ISP subsidiary provides my connection. They don't have DSL, but with a T1 rate of $150/mo, who cares? (They wrote the T1 tariff for me, since I was the first customer ever to order a T1 for any reason. They have plenty of T1s for internal use, of course.) -- John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail
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