RE: AS286 effectively no more..
Does anyone know what happened to the Ebone/KPNQWEST European-wide DWDM system? I figure that if it was shut down, we would see more impact.
Their IP network load I bet was quite easily handled by other operators considering the huge over-capacity situation we have had the past years.
Parts of the Eurorings (the KPNQwest part of the KPNQwest/Ebone network combination) seem to be semi-active - otherwise bits wouldn't flow from Qwest to Leiden in NL. But there are just KPNQwest core AS/KPN Belgium/ Luxembourg prefixes advertised on the IP side. I am worried on the networks that have swapped/IRU:ed fibers from KQ and have transmission gear co-located at KQ amp huts / major nodes, using KQ rectifiers to get DC juice to their racks. It is going to be interesting to watch if/when the still-lit remains of the Eurorings go dark on transmission level - I've understood there were couple of _very utilized_ WDM rings in KQ central european network.. What is the legal position of an IRU deal if the cable owner goes belly up? --kauto
On Thu, 25 Jul 2002, Kurt Erik Lindqvist wrote:
Unless someone buys the equipment and agrees to theke the IRU:s on - they are worthless.
You can make fiber IRUs stick even if the company who bought the fiber goes belly up. IRUs ("Indefeasible Rights of Use" seems to be the acronym?) as far as I know, is just that, you actually own the fibers you IRUed for the time being. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se
At 10:27 AM 25-07-02 +0200, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jul 2002, Kurt Erik Lindqvist wrote:
Unless someone buys the equipment and agrees to theke the IRU:s on - they are worthless.
You can make fiber IRUs stick even if the company who bought the fiber goes belly up.
IRUs ("Indefeasible Rights of Use" seems to be the acronym?) as far as I know, is just that, you actually own the fibers you IRUed for the time being.
Most IRU contracts I looked at before putting together ours did not specify a clause such as: "Unless terminated earlier under Clauses 4.1, 4.2 or 4.3, this Agreement shall remain in force for a period of 15 (fifteen) years and shall be binding on the Supplier; any other legal entity which may replace the Supplier; the Supplier liquidator (should there be one) or anyone to whom the Supplier may transfer the rights and ownership of the underground fiber optic cables." Go look to see if your IRU contract has any clause about the supplier liquidator. -Hank
-- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se
You can make fiber IRUs stick even if the company who bought the fiber goes belly up.
IRUs ("Indefeasible Rights of Use" seems to be the acronym?) as far as I know, is just that, you actually own the fibers you IRUed for the time being.
As with everything in life, it will always depend on the contract you have with your supplier and the contracts that you supplier has with this suppliers and so on. For example if Bozotelco builds a huge fibre network all over the world but then goes bust before they paid the bill for the fibre - who owns the fibre ? :-) Regards, Neil. -- Neil J. McRae - Alive and Kicking neil@DOMINO.ORG
Unless someone buys the equipment and agrees to theke the IRU:s on - they are worthless.
You can make fiber IRUs stick even if the company who bought the fiber goes belly up.
Yes, but this is the other way around. If the company you bought the IRU from goes belly up, there is no guarantee you can keep them running. That is up to the agreement between the seller (the administrator) and the buyer (of the bancupcy assets).
IRUs ("Indefeasible Rights of Use" seems to be the acronym?) as far as I know, is just that, you actually own the fibers you IRUed for the time being.
Well, it's actually more like a land lease contract. You don' own them, you have the right to use it as you see fit for the agreed time period though. Best regards, - kurtis -
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