Lynn refered to FX from phenoelit's presentation at blackhat 3 years ago. Http://www.phenoelit.de -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu on behalf of Michael.Dillon@btradianz.com Sent: Wed 8/10/2005 6:14 AM To: nanog@merit.edu Cc: Subject: Re: Cisco crapaganda

I, desperately, hope you are not referring to Raven Adler's presentation at Defcon following Black Hat.

No, I am referring to something that was published 3 years ago and describes substantially the same exploits and techniques as Lynn described except the 3 year old document has much more technical detail and offers a URL where source code for the exploits can be acquired. Maybe Lynn rediscovered this independently. Maybe he heard rumours of an exploit in blackhat communications and this guided him where to look. But if my memory serves me correctly, Lynn himself claimed that his work was based on the work of a blackhat. --Michael Dillon