No one replied with any useful information. I guess no one wants competition on this list? Pretty poor tactic. On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 21:55:01 -0400 hasserw@hushmail.com wrote:
I want to begin making my own ISP, mainly for high speed servers and such, but also branching out to residential customers. I'm going to be in Germany for the next school year (probably either Frankfurt am Main or Berlin); any suggestions on what sort of classes I can take there that will be in English and will teach me
all I need to know on how to build and manage my own ISP, AS, etc?
Thanks.
I think the question was far too vague. The first thing you need to start an ISP is LOTS OF MONEY. -----Original Message----- From: hasserw@hushmail.com [mailto:hasserw@hushmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 2:10 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: How to begin making my own ISP? No one replied with any useful information. I guess no one wants competition on this list? Pretty poor tactic. On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 21:55:01 -0400 hasserw@hushmail.com wrote:
I want to begin making my own ISP, mainly for high speed servers and such, but also branching out to residential customers. I'm going to be in Germany for the next school year (probably either Frankfurt am Main or Berlin); any suggestions on what sort of classes I can take there that will be in English and will teach me
all I need to know on how to build and manage my own ISP, AS, etc?
Thanks.
The second thing is that you need to have at least a VAGUE idea what you want to actually offer. A DSL ISP is VASTLY different than a Co-Location ISP. I'd say you need to sit down and take a long hard look at exactly you want to do, *then* figure out what you need to do in order to accomplish it. Ken Matlock Network Analyst Exempla Healthcare (303) 467-4671 matlockk@exempla.org -----Original Message----- From: Eric Wieling [mailto:EWieling@nyigc.com] Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 12:14 PM To: hasserw@hushmail.com; nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: How to begin making my own ISP? I think the question was far too vague. The first thing you need to start an ISP is LOTS OF MONEY. -----Original Message----- From: hasserw@hushmail.com [mailto:hasserw@hushmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 2:10 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: How to begin making my own ISP? No one replied with any useful information. I guess no one wants competition on this list? Pretty poor tactic. On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 21:55:01 -0400 hasserw@hushmail.com wrote:
I want to begin making my own ISP, mainly for high speed servers and such, but also branching out to residential customers. I'm going to be in Germany for the next school year (probably either Frankfurt am Main or Berlin); any suggestions on what sort of classes I can take there that will be in English and will teach me
all I need to know on how to build and manage my own ISP, AS, etc?
Thanks.
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On 9/16/2011 11:14 AM, Eric Wieling wrote:
I think the question was far too vague. The first thing you need to start an ISP is LOTS OF MONEY.
That's if you want to make a little money running an ISP. If you want to make lots of money running an ISP, it takes *even more* money. Matthew Kaufman
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 02:10:29PM -0400, hasserw@hushmail.com wrote:
No one replied with any useful information. I guess no one wants competition on this list? Pretty poor tactic.
On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 21:55:01 -0400 hasserw@hushmail.com wrote:
I want to begin making my own ISP, mainly for high speed servers and such, but also branching out to residential customers. I'm going to be in Germany for the next school year (probably either Frankfurt am Main or Berlin); any suggestions on what sort of classes I can take there that will be in English and will teach me
all I need to know on how to build and manage my own ISP, AS, etc?
Thanks.
It's not safe to ass-u-me that absence of a reply is due to a desire to avoid competition. I strongly suspect that the answer to your question is very large, very complex, highly dependent on your location, business plan, connectivity, and the like, and that people simply don't have the free time to devote to tutoring you in how to build and run your startup. I know I don't. -- Mike Andrews, W5EGO mikea@mikea.ath.cx Tired old sysadmin
On Fri, 16 Sep 2011, mikea wrote:
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 02:10:29PM -0400, hasserw@hushmail.com wrote:
No one replied with any useful information. I guess no one wants competition on this list? Pretty poor tactic.
It's not safe to ass-u-me that absence of a reply is due to a desire to avoid competition. I strongly suspect that the answer to your question is very large, very complex, highly dependent on your location, business plan, connectivity, and the like, and that people simply don't have the free time to devote to tutoring you in how to build and run your startup. I know I don't.
Furthermore, it's a truly poor assumption that the larger portion of starting one's own ISP is a purely technical exercise. I'd say the financial, political, and marketing aspects are far more daunting than the nuts-n-bolts side of things. However, if you really want to get advice about the tech side of it, I'd consider looking for an internship with an ISP. Of course, another possible mistake was to assume that the majority of NANOG members work for ISPs (as such). Other entities operate networks, y'know. Jima
Based on this email, I would suggest Marketing/PR classes ;) Accounting? On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 2:10 PM, <hasserw@hushmail.com> wrote:
No one replied with any useful information. I guess no one wants competition on this list? Pretty poor tactic.
On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 21:55:01 -0400 hasserw@hushmail.com wrote:
I want to begin making my own ISP, mainly for high speed servers and such, but also branching out to residential customers. I'm going to be in Germany for the next school year (probably either Frankfurt am Main or Berlin); any suggestions on what sort of classes I can take there that will be in English and will teach me
all I need to know on how to build and manage my own ISP, AS, etc?
Thanks.
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 02:10:29PM -0400, hasserw@hushmail.com wrote:
No one replied with any useful information. I guess no one wants competition on this list? Pretty poor tactic.
On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 21:55:01 -0400 hasserw@hushmail.com wrote:
I want to begin making my own ISP, mainly for high speed servers and such, but also branching out to residential customers. I'm going to be in Germany for the next school year (probably either Frankfurt am Main or Berlin); any suggestions on what sort of classes I can take there that will be in English and will teach me
all I need to know on how to build and manage my own ISP, AS, etc?
Thanks.
"... First, You make a roux!" - Julia Childs Clearly its not a easy/simple as it used to be but its not rocket science either. you have to decide where you want to start; eyeballs, content, or get others to defray the cost of yur access. Once you select which target you are after, then you can pick your gear. I am going to presume OSS and fully depricated kit to keep your costs down and to boost your learning skills. On the presumption you want to run BGP I suggest you invest in some colo space at/near a public internet exchange w/ a large number of players.. SIX was good, Telx was good, and the S&D pops were as well - at least four/five years ago. slip you old HP laptop into the rack and buy a cross connect to the exchange fabric. replace the OS on the laptop w/ FreeBSD or CentOS, from ports, add SSH and Quagga. Chat up potential peers at the exchange and see whom will peer w/ you using a Private ASN. Contact ARIN or third party broker to lease some IP space and an ASN. If you can't find/justify the resources 'cause your just starting out, there is private space and private ASN. Configure Quagga w/ the obtained ASN and announce the IP prefix(es). TaDa ... You are an ISP! /bill
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 02:10:29PM -0400, hasserw@hushmail.com wrote:
No one replied with any useful information. I guess no one wants competition on this list? Pretty poor tactic.
On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 21:55:01 -0400 hasserw@hushmail.com wrote:
I want to begin making my own ISP, mainly for high speed servers and such, but also branching out to residential customers. I'm going to be in Germany for the next school year (probably either Frankfurt am Main or Berlin); any suggestions on what sort of classes I can take there that will be in English and will teach me
all I need to know on how to build and manage my own ISP, AS, etc?
Thanks.
What they said. However - this is the NANOG list, not the EOF. If you are going to play in the EU space, you should ask there. Also - if you are just playing w/ nuts/bolts - a valuable resource is the NSRC site. They do excellent work in helping the technology challanged understand and deploy communications systems. http://www.nsrc.org/ you might also want to talk to the DENIC folks and likely RIPE NCC. http://www.ripe.net http://ww.denic.de Good Luck, you wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper. /bill
On Fri, 16 Sep 2011, hasserw@hushmail.com wrote:
No one replied with any useful information. I guess no one wants competition on this list? Pretty poor tactic.
Honestly, I did have an insightful email drafted up for your original post, but the more I thought about it, the more I felt like I was getting troll-baited. I do see posts on this list from time to time, and on other related lists, from people who appear to be pretty new to the game, and that's perfectly OK. I will not bash a newbie for being a newbie, because we were all newbies at one point or another. However, expecting other people to do all the work and give you all of the answers, and then criticizing the group when they didn't do that, based on a very vague definition of a requirement is just bad form. Since you mentioned school years in your original post, I'm going to assume that you're also pretty young. Just remember - mailing list archives are forever ;) jms
On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 21:55:01 -0400 hasserw@hushmail.com wrote:
I want to begin making my own ISP, mainly for high speed servers and such, but also branching out to residential customers. I'm going to be in Germany for the next school year (probably either Frankfurt am Main or Berlin); any suggestions on what sort of classes I can take there that will be in English and will teach me
all I need to know on how to build and manage my own ISP, AS, etc?
Thanks.
Hasserw, First I must apologise for not responding, I did see this message and did mean to attempt to help you out as I am currently working though this exact process in a very small proof of concept network with an even smaller budget. To address our question, a good starting point is a Cisco CCNA. If you review the list archive for the past month you will find a very interesting thread linking to guys who are running massive home networks just for their learning, that in turn will link you to detailed public CVs showing the sort of stuff that these guys are trained and training in. You also need some business training to understand how to structure the business aspects of your project. An MBA is a good qualification but there are many less high level courses you could look at as well. NA Nog is an operational list (with a lot of rant and fun stuff) and not really a business focused or educational list, so your initial query simply ran under the radar. D On 17/09/2011 6:10 a.m., hasserw@hushmail.com wrote:
No one replied with any useful information. I guess no one wants competition on this list? Pretty poor tactic.
On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 21:55:01 -0400 hasserw@hushmail.com wrote:
I want to begin making my own ISP, mainly for high speed servers and such, but also branching out to residential customers. I'm going to be in Germany for the next school year (probably either Frankfurt am Main or Berlin); any suggestions on what sort of classes I can take there that will be in English and will teach me
all I need to know on how to build and manage my own ISP, AS, etc?
Thanks.
-- Don Gould 31 Acheson Ave Mairehau Christchurch, New Zealand Ph: + 64 3 348 7235 Mobile: + 64 21 114 0699
Hello, If you are able to read french, there are useful informations : the fai-locaux mailing list archives : https://lists.fdn.fr/wws A series of posts on this blog : http://blog.spyou.org/wordpress-mu/2010/06/09/comment-devenir-son-propre-fai... http://blog.spyou.org/wordpress-mu/2010/06/10/comment-devenir-son-propre-fai... http://blog.spyou.org/wordpress-mu/2010/06/15/comment-devenir-son-propre-fai... http://blog.spyou.org/wordpress-mu/2010/08/02/comment-devenir-son-propre-fai... http://blog.spyou.org/wordpress-mu/2010/08/09/comment-devenir-son-propre-fai... http://blog.spyou.org/wordpress-mu/2010/08/14/comment-devenir-son-propre-fai... http://blog.spyou.org/wordpress-mu/2010/08/17/comment-devenir-son-propre-fai... http://blog.spyou.org/wordpress-mu/2010/08/17/comment-devenir-son-propre-fai... http://blog.spyou.org/wordpress-mu/2010/08/19/comment-devenir-son-propre-fai... Some informations are france-specific (in regards of law, etc...), but it can be useful. A lot of informations about ISP creation has been discussed lately, because FDN, a french association that is the oldest ISP still active in france, decided to create (with other associations) a "federation" to help the creation of new associative isps. You can see the FDN website (http://www.fdn.fr/) Le 21/09/2011 01:55, Don Gould a écrit :
Hasserw,
First I must apologise for not responding, I did see this message and did mean to attempt to help you out as I am currently working though this exact process in a very small proof of concept network with an even smaller budget.
To address our question, a good starting point is a Cisco CCNA.
If you review the list archive for the past month you will find a very interesting thread linking to guys who are running massive home networks just for their learning, that in turn will link you to detailed public CVs showing the sort of stuff that these guys are trained and training in.
You also need some business training to understand how to structure the business aspects of your project. An MBA is a good qualification but there are many less high level courses you could look at as well.
NA Nog is an operational list (with a lot of rant and fun stuff) and not really a business focused or educational list, so your initial query simply ran under the radar.
D
On 17/09/2011 6:10 a.m., hasserw@hushmail.com wrote:
No one replied with any useful information. I guess no one wants competition on this list? Pretty poor tactic.
On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 21:55:01 -0400 hasserw@hushmail.com wrote:
I want to begin making my own ISP, mainly for high speed servers and such, but also branching out to residential customers. I'm going to be in Germany for the next school year (probably either Frankfurt am Main or Berlin); any suggestions on what sort of classes I can take there that will be in English and will teach me
all I need to know on how to build and manage my own ISP, AS, etc?
Thanks.
Hello, I don't know if that was directed at me or the OP, but very interesting stuff thanks. No I don't read French, but google does. :) D On 21/09/2011 8:36 p.m., Julien Gormotte wrote:
Hello,
If you are able to read french, there are useful informations :
the fai-locaux mailing list archives : https://lists.fdn.fr/wws
A series of posts on this blog : http://blog.spyou.org/wordpress-mu/2010/06/09/comment-devenir-son-propre-fai...
http://blog.spyou.org/wordpress-mu/2010/06/10/comment-devenir-son-propre-fai...
http://blog.spyou.org/wordpress-mu/2010/06/15/comment-devenir-son-propre-fai...
http://blog.spyou.org/wordpress-mu/2010/08/02/comment-devenir-son-propre-fai...
http://blog.spyou.org/wordpress-mu/2010/08/09/comment-devenir-son-propre-fai...
http://blog.spyou.org/wordpress-mu/2010/08/14/comment-devenir-son-propre-fai...
http://blog.spyou.org/wordpress-mu/2010/08/17/comment-devenir-son-propre-fai...
http://blog.spyou.org/wordpress-mu/2010/08/17/comment-devenir-son-propre-fai...
http://blog.spyou.org/wordpress-mu/2010/08/19/comment-devenir-son-propre-fai...
Some informations are france-specific (in regards of law, etc...), but it can be useful. A lot of informations about ISP creation has been discussed lately, because FDN, a french association that is the oldest ISP still active in france, decided to create (with other associations) a "federation" to help the creation of new associative isps. You can see the FDN website (http://www.fdn.fr/)
Le 21/09/2011 01:55, Don Gould a écrit :
Hasserw,
First I must apologise for not responding, I did see this message and did mean to attempt to help you out as I am currently working though this exact process in a very small proof of concept network with an even smaller budget.
To address our question, a good starting point is a Cisco CCNA.
If you review the list archive for the past month you will find a very interesting thread linking to guys who are running massive home networks just for their learning, that in turn will link you to detailed public CVs showing the sort of stuff that these guys are trained and training in.
You also need some business training to understand how to structure the business aspects of your project. An MBA is a good qualification but there are many less high level courses you could look at as well.
NA Nog is an operational list (with a lot of rant and fun stuff) and not really a business focused or educational list, so your initial query simply ran under the radar.
D
On 17/09/2011 6:10 a.m., hasserw@hushmail.com wrote:
No one replied with any useful information. I guess no one wants competition on this list? Pretty poor tactic.
On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 21:55:01 -0400 hasserw@hushmail.com wrote:
I want to begin making my own ISP, mainly for high speed servers and such, but also branching out to residential customers. I'm going to be in Germany for the next school year (probably either Frankfurt am Main or Berlin); any suggestions on what sort of classes I can take there that will be in English and will teach me
all I need to know on how to build and manage my own ISP, AS, etc?
Thanks.
-- Don Gould 31 Acheson Ave Mairehau Christchurch, New Zealand Ph: + 64 3 348 7235 Mobile: + 64 21 114 0699
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