| I am suggesting that more of | the kind of people who ALREADY wear suits should start paying attention to | the important work NANOG is attempting and start attending your meetings so | they can pitch in on the non-engineering aspects of operating the Internet. I noticed or was introduced to marketing folks and legal counsel from no less than four networking corporations at the D.C. NANOG. I think you will find that the impression that folks in suits are neither aware of NANOG/EOF/APRICOT/IEPG nor present at some of the meetings is somewhat illusory. Looking at the people who are quietly subscribed to the NANOG list might also be enlightening. I agree with you that there is not much "pitching-in on the non-engineering aspects", however most of these people are senior enough to know that discussing legal or economic matters in a conference that is full of engineers is often less than very productive. Besides, I find that NANOG is overly USA-American-centric enough without spending lots of time discussing matters that have little to do with reality in other parts of North America. We have enough to talk about wrt just building an Internet that can continue to sustain the huge growth we've been seeing on an engineering level -- and this is of relevance to every Internet engineer everywhere in the world -- that diluting the list and the conference with other matters strikes me as fundamentally unwise. Sean.