Re: Iran cuts 95% of Internet traffic
:: If you're trying to get information in/out of a :: society that is raising network barriers to :: realtime communication, then you need methods :: that don't rely on a network and aren't realtime. This is a great idea, but 99.9% of folks use GUI email. :-( scott --- rsk@gsp.org wrote: From: Rich Kulawiec <rsk@gsp.org> To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Iran cuts 95% of Internet traffic Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2019 09:11:23 -0500 And this is why, despite all the disdainful remarks labeling such things as "antiquated", mailing lists and Usenet newsgroups are vastly superior to web sites/message boards/et.al. when it comes to facilitating many-to-many communications between people. Why? Well, there are many reasons, but one of the applicable ones in this use case is that their queues can be written to media, physically transported in/out, and then injected either into an internal or external network seamlessly modulo the time delay. And because the computing resources required to handle this are in any laptop or desktop made in the last decade, probably earlier. If you're trying to get information in/out of a society that is raising network barriers to realtime communication, then you need methods that don't rely on a network and aren't realtime. ---rsk
Yeah sorry to say any email list or not is going to be one of the things that are not going to get through unless ... you’ve taken extra measures to circumvent that. Personally, email would be the easiest to block behind riuting. -- J. Hellenthal The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume.
On Dec 29, 2019, at 15:57, Scott Weeks <surfer@mauigateway.com> wrote:
:: If you're trying to get information in/out of a :: society that is raising network barriers to :: realtime communication, then you need methods :: that don't rely on a network and aren't realtime.
This is a great idea, but 99.9% of folks use GUI email. :-(
scott
--- rsk@gsp.org wrote:
From: Rich Kulawiec <rsk@gsp.org> To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Iran cuts 95% of Internet traffic Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2019 09:11:23 -0500
And this is why, despite all the disdainful remarks labeling such things as "antiquated", mailing lists and Usenet newsgroups are vastly superior to web sites/message boards/et.al. when it comes to facilitating many-to-many communications between people. Why? Well, there are many reasons, but one of the applicable ones in this use case is that their queues can be written to media, physically transported in/out, and then injected either into an internal or external network seamlessly modulo the time delay. And because the computing resources required to handle this are in any laptop or desktop made in the last decade, probably earlier.
If you're trying to get information in/out of a society that is raising network barriers to realtime communication, then you need methods that don't rely on a network and aren't realtime.
---rsk
On Sun, 2019-12-29 at 16:16 -0600, J. Hellenthal via NANOG wrote:
Personally, email would be the easiest to block behind riuting.
"Give me ssh and an open port and I shall tell the world" - Archimedes, circa 250 BC Of course, he'd still need a network. I think the point about email is that it is inherently store-and- forward, so it can relatively easily be moved off a network, stored, moved by other means, and put back on a (possibly different) network. Regards, K. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Karl Auer (kauer@biplane.com.au) http://www.biplane.com.au/kauer http://twitter.com/kauer389 GPG fingerprint: 8D08 9CAA 649A AFEF E862 062A 2E97 42D4 A2A0 616D Old fingerprint: A0CD 28F0 10BE FC21 C57C 67C1 19A6 83A4 9B0B 1D75
Karl Auer <kauer@biplane.com.au> writes:
I think the point about email is that it is inherently store-and- forward, so it can relatively easily be moved off a network, stored, moved by other means, and put back on a (possibly different) network.
It's trivial to set up a mail transport between physically separate networks using a pair of PCs with modems and local network connections. They don't have to be fancy, either - a tiny Unix installation with SMTP and UUCP is all it takes. I've done it with Minix on a 286 box. Today, I guess a Raspberry Pi with a USB modem might be chosen, or a laptop that could be hooked up to open WiFi networks to do the SMTP side from somewhere other than its operator's home. To avoid the modem link, you'd need some safe way to transport e.g. a USB memory stick with the mail spool on it between participating hosts. -tih -- Most people who graduate with CS degrees don't understand the significance of Lisp. Lisp is the most important idea in computer science. --Alan Kay
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