I have no problem with disconnecting known abusers. However, there's lots of other actions implied in the "ISP responsibility" described that are things like filtering port 25, blocking NetBIOS, etc. Some ISPs do this. I'm all for having an AUP and/or TOS that allows you to disconnect abusers. When I was working for various ISPs, I personally disconnected a number of such abusers. However, IMHO, disconnecting abusers is a far cry from "Providing a clean internet". Owen --On Wednesday, April 27, 2005 12:26 PM +0000 "Fergie (Paul Ferguson)" <fergdawg@netzero.net> wrote:

None -- when you disconnect [correct, block, whatever] abusive end-systems in your administrative domain. Act locally, think globally.

In fact, an ISP in AUS just did this last week...

- ferg

Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> wrote:

How much functionality are we going to destroy before we realize that you can't fix end-node problems in the transit network?

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