IP Address Management IPAM software for small ISP
I'm looking for IPAM solutions for a small regional wireless ISP. There are 4 Tier 2 personnel and 2 NOC technicians who would be using the tool, and a small staff of engineers. They have regionalized IP addresses so blocks are local, but there are subnets that are global. don't care if it's a linux or windows solution. Need to be able to migrate from FreeIPdb (yes, I know, it's a dinosaur) We're not dealing with a lot now, but the potential for growth is pretty high. What are you using and how is it working for you? Much appreciated, Eric
Kindly search the archives for many threads on the same subject, which should be the normal practice. nevertheless, IPPlan, PHPIP, PHPIPAM are good enough as per the need. The first one I assume should serve your purpose for both v4 and v6. Regards, Aftab A. Siddiqui On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 6:22 AM, Eric A Louie <elouie@yahoo.com> wrote:
I'm looking for IPAM solutions for a small regional wireless ISP. There are 4 Tier 2 personnel and 2 NOC technicians who would be using the tool, and a small staff of engineers.
They have regionalized IP addresses so blocks are local, but there are subnets that are global.
don't care if it's a linux or windows solution.
Need to be able to migrate from FreeIPdb (yes, I know, it's a dinosaur)
We're not dealing with a lot now, but the potential for growth is pretty high.
What are you using and how is it working for you?
Much appreciated, Eric
On 13/12/2012 10:10, Aftab Siddiqui wrote:
nevertheless, IPPlan, PHPIP, PHPIPAM are good enough as per the need. The first one I assume should serve your purpose for both v4 and v6.
I've had a lot more success with Racktables and Netdot, both of which are really good at what they do. Racktables in particular. Nick
On 13 Dec 2012, at 12:25 PM, Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org> wrote:
On 13/12/2012 10:10, Aftab Siddiqui wrote:
nevertheless, IPPlan, PHPIP, PHPIPAM are good enough as per the need. The first one I assume should serve your purpose for both v4 and v6.
I've had a lot more success with Racktables and Netdot, both of which are really good at what they do. Racktables in particular.
+2c on racktables. Right now we're deprecating IPPlan entirely in favour of Racktables. One day I'll have a round tuit for checking out Netdot. -J
I've used IPPlan in the past, and it's really useful as a web-based excel-sheet replacement. Plus, the price is right. We're also evaluating Solarwinds' IPAM, but that's way too expensive for the features. On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 2:31 AM, JP Viljoen <froztbyte@froztbyte.net> wrote:
On 13 Dec 2012, at 12:25 PM, Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org> wrote:
On 13/12/2012 10:10, Aftab Siddiqui wrote:
nevertheless, IPPlan, PHPIP, PHPIPAM are good enough as per the need. The first one I assume should serve your purpose for both v4 and v6.
I've had a lot more success with Racktables and Netdot, both of which are really good at what they do. Racktables in particular.
+2c on racktables. Right now we're deprecating IPPlan entirely in favour of Racktables. One day I'll have a round tuit for checking out Netdot.
-J
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From: Mike Hale [mailto:eyeronic.design@gmail.com]
We're also evaluating Solarwinds' IPAM, but that's way too expensive for the features.
We've got their netflow software and were considering their IPAM for the seamless integration but you're definitely right on the price; it would have been cost nearly the same as adding an annual full time employee just to manage a few /21's and an /18.... insane.
Racktables = no IPv6. Bummer, and it does more than what I need. Netdot looks very interesting. It didn't show up when I searched for "IPAM". I'll have to evaluate it, to see if it does any kind of wireless documentation (frequency, modulation, etc) Any Netdot users out there who want to comment? Much appreciated, Eric ________________________________ From: Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org> To: Aftab Siddiqui <aftab.siddiqui@gmail.com> Cc: Eric A Louie <elouie@yahoo.com>; NANOG Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Thu, December 13, 2012 2:25:10 AM Subject: Re: IP Address Management IPAM software for small ISP On 13/12/2012 10:10, Aftab Siddiqui wrote:
nevertheless, IPPlan, PHPIP, PHPIPAM are good enough as per the need. The first one I assume should serve your purpose for both v4 and v6.
I've had a lot more success with Racktables and Netdot, both of which are really good at what they do. Racktables in particular. Nick
We've been using ipplan, although it seems the racktables demo site does support ipv6. It looks interesting because it could help us in other ways. Still kind of stuck on ipplan until I find a better solution that understands multiple routing tables since I have many mpls vpn's with overlapping address space. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric A Louie" <elouie@yahoo.com> To: "Nick Hilliard" <nick@foobar.org>, "Aftab Siddiqui" <aftab.siddiqui@gmail.com> Cc: "NANOG Operators' Group" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 9:54:11 AM Subject: Re: IP Address Management IPAM software for small ISP Racktables = no IPv6. Bummer, and it does more than what I need. Netdot looks very interesting. It didn't show up when I searched for "IPAM". I'll have to evaluate it, to see if it does any kind of wireless documentation (frequency, modulation, etc) Any Netdot users out there who want to comment? Much appreciated, Eric ________________________________ From: Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org> To: Aftab Siddiqui <aftab.siddiqui@gmail.com> Cc: Eric A Louie <elouie@yahoo.com>; NANOG Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Thu, December 13, 2012 2:25:10 AM Subject: Re: IP Address Management IPAM software for small ISP On 13/12/2012 10:10, Aftab Siddiqui wrote:
nevertheless, IPPlan, PHPIP, PHPIPAM are good enough as per the need. The first one I assume should serve your purpose for both v4 and v6.
I've had a lot more success with Racktables and Netdot, both of which are really good at what they do. Racktables in particular. Nick
I think 6connect is well worth an eval as well. We've been using it for the InteropNet for a couple of years now and it nicely meets our needs in both v4 and v6, and since you can get it as a hosted application, for a small shop there's zero maintenance. -- Brandon Ross Yahoo & AIM: BrandonNRoss +1-404-635-6667 ICQ: 2269442 Schedule a meeting: https://doodle.com/bross Skype: brandonross
phpipam's VRF support looks fairly decent if you haven't checked it out yet. Sent from my iPad On Dec 13, 2012, at 13:15, Walter Keen <walter.keen@rainierconnect.net> wrote:
We've been using ipplan, although it seems the racktables demo site does support ipv6. It looks interesting because it could help us in other ways.
Still kind of stuck on ipplan until I find a better solution that understands multiple routing tables since I have many mpls vpn's with overlapping address space.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric A Louie" <elouie@yahoo.com> To: "Nick Hilliard" <nick@foobar.org>, "Aftab Siddiqui" <aftab.siddiqui@gmail.com> Cc: "NANOG Operators' Group" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 9:54:11 AM Subject: Re: IP Address Management IPAM software for small ISP
Racktables = no IPv6. Bummer, and it does more than what I need.
Netdot looks very interesting. It didn't show up when I searched for "IPAM". I'll have to evaluate it, to see if it does any kind of wireless documentation (frequency, modulation, etc)
Any Netdot users out there who want to comment?
Much appreciated, Eric
________________________________ From: Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org> To: Aftab Siddiqui <aftab.siddiqui@gmail.com> Cc: Eric A Louie <elouie@yahoo.com>; NANOG Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Thu, December 13, 2012 2:25:10 AM Subject: Re: IP Address Management IPAM software for small ISP
On 13/12/2012 10:10, Aftab Siddiqui wrote:
nevertheless, IPPlan, PHPIP, PHPIPAM are good enough as per the need. The first one I assume should serve your purpose for both v4 and v6.
I've had a lot more success with Racktables and Netdot, both of which are really good at what they do. Racktables in particular.
Nick
On 13 Dec 2012, at 17:54, Eric A Louie <elouie@yahoo.com> wrote:
Racktables = no IPv6. Bummer, and it does more than what I need.
Really? I could have sworn I was entering ipv6 data into the ipv6 section in racktables yesterday.
Netdot looks very interesting. It didn't show up when I searched for "IPAM". I'll have to evaluate it, to see if it does any kind of wireless documentation (frequency, modulation, etc)
No, it doesn't do that. Nick
Any Netdot users out there who want to comment?
Much appreciated, Eric
From: Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org> To: Aftab Siddiqui <aftab.siddiqui@gmail.com> Cc: Eric A Louie <elouie@yahoo.com>; NANOG Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Thu, December 13, 2012 2:25:10 AM Subject: Re: IP Address Management IPAM software for small ISP
On 13/12/2012 10:10, Aftab Siddiqui wrote:
nevertheless, IPPlan, PHPIP, PHPIPAM are good enough as per the need. The first one I assume should serve your purpose for both v4 and v6.
I've had a lot more success with Racktables and Netdot, both of which are really good at what they do. Racktables in particular.
Nick
Racktables does support IPv6. http://demo.racktables.org/ Login: admin PW: admin On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 9:54 AM, Eric A Louie <elouie@yahoo.com> wrote:
Racktables = no IPv6. Bummer, and it does more than what I need.
Netdot looks very interesting. It didn't show up when I searched for "IPAM". I'll have to evaluate it, to see if it does any kind of wireless documentation (frequency, modulation, etc)
Any Netdot users out there who want to comment?
Much appreciated, Eric
________________________________ From: Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org> To: Aftab Siddiqui <aftab.siddiqui@gmail.com> Cc: Eric A Louie <elouie@yahoo.com>; NANOG Operators' Group < nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Thu, December 13, 2012 2:25:10 AM Subject: Re: IP Address Management IPAM software for small ISP
On 13/12/2012 10:10, Aftab Siddiqui wrote:
nevertheless, IPPlan, PHPIP, PHPIPAM are good enough as per the need. The first one I assume should serve your purpose for both v4 and v6.
I've had a lot more success with Racktables and Netdot, both of which are really good at what they do. Racktables in particular.
Nick
That is a superb suggestion, Aftab. I actually did a search through the archives for "IPAM" and "IP address management" and the results were ... unsatisfactory. Perhaps I used the wrong archive, and you direct me to an alternate: http://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/ is the one I used. I've looked at IPPLan but have not installed it yet. Does anyone with direct experience with it care to share their view? Much appreciated, Eric ________________________________ From: Aftab Siddiqui <aftab.siddiqui@gmail.com> To: Eric A Louie <elouie@yahoo.com> Cc: NANOG Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Thu, December 13, 2012 2:10:24 AM Subject: Re: IP Address Management IPAM software for small ISP Kindly search the archives for many threads on the same subject, which should be the normal practice. nevertheless, IPPlan, PHPIP, PHPIPAM are good enough as per the need. The first one I assume should serve your purpose for both v4 and v6. Regards, Aftab A. Siddiqui On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 6:22 AM, Eric A Louie <elouie@yahoo.com> wrote: I'm looking for IPAM solutions for a small regional wireless ISP. There are 4
Tier 2 personnel and 2 NOC technicians who would be using the tool, and a small staff of engineers.
They have regionalized IP addresses so blocks are local, but there are subnets that are global.
don't care if it's a linux or windows solution.
Need to be able to migrate from FreeIPdb (yes, I know, it's a dinosaur)
We're not dealing with a lot now, but the potential for growth is pretty high.
What are you using and how is it working for you?
Much appreciated, Eric
We migrated from excel to IPPLAN (fairly large corp. network, with 150+ global locations),very easy to setup and import data (CSV). Your cost to try it out is near $0 (only money spent is your own $hour). So far the only issue that we encounter now and then is with the search function, though we haven't had time to tshoot. Other than that I think it's a solid solution, and you can't beat the price :) -- Michael Gatti main. 949.371.5474 (UTC -8) On Dec 13, 2012, at 9:48 AM, Eric A Louie <elouie@yahoo.com> wrote:
That is a superb suggestion, Aftab. I actually did a search through the archives for "IPAM" and "IP address management" and the results were ... unsatisfactory. Perhaps I used the wrong archive, and you direct me to an alternate:
http://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/ is the one I used.
I've looked at IPPLan but have not installed it yet. Does anyone with direct experience with it care to share their view?
Much appreciated, Eric
________________________________ From: Aftab Siddiqui <aftab.siddiqui@gmail.com> To: Eric A Louie <elouie@yahoo.com> Cc: NANOG Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Thu, December 13, 2012 2:10:24 AM Subject: Re: IP Address Management IPAM software for small ISP
Kindly search the archives for many threads on the same subject, which should be the normal practice.
nevertheless, IPPlan, PHPIP, PHPIPAM are good enough as per the need. The first one I assume should serve your purpose for both v4 and v6.
Regards,
Aftab A. Siddiqui
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 6:22 AM, Eric A Louie <elouie@yahoo.com> wrote:
I'm looking for IPAM solutions for a small regional wireless ISP. There are 4
Tier 2 personnel and 2 NOC technicians who would be using the tool, and a small staff of engineers.
They have regionalized IP addresses so blocks are local, but there are subnets that are global.
don't care if it's a linux or windows solution.
Need to be able to migrate from FreeIPdb (yes, I know, it's a dinosaur)
We're not dealing with a lot now, but the potential for growth is pretty high.
What are you using and how is it working for you?
Much appreciated, Eric
+1 for ipplan http://iptrack.sourceforge.net/ -Ed On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 4:10 AM, Aftab Siddiqui <aftab.siddiqui@gmail.com> wrote:
Kindly search the archives for many threads on the same subject, which should be the normal practice.
nevertheless, IPPlan, PHPIP, PHPIPAM are good enough as per the need. The first one I assume should serve your purpose for both v4 and v6.
Regards,
Aftab A. Siddiqui
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 6:22 AM, Eric A Louie <elouie@yahoo.com> wrote:
I'm looking for IPAM solutions for a small regional wireless ISP. There are 4 Tier 2 personnel and 2 NOC technicians who would be using the tool, and a small staff of engineers.
They have regionalized IP addresses so blocks are local, but there are subnets that are global.
don't care if it's a linux or windows solution.
Need to be able to migrate from FreeIPdb (yes, I know, it's a dinosaur)
We're not dealing with a lot now, but the potential for growth is pretty high.
What are you using and how is it working for you?
Much appreciated, Eric
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I actually was doing research on this today as well. Anyone have any experience with the solutions that implement VLAN management as well like Gestioip? -----Original Message----- From: Beavis [mailto:pfunix@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 8:10 PM To: Aftab Siddiqui Cc: NANOG Operators' Group Subject: Re: IP Address Management IPAM software for small ISP +1 for ipplan http://iptrack.sourceforge.net/ -Ed On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 4:10 AM, Aftab Siddiqui <aftab.siddiqui@gmail.com> wrote:
Kindly search the archives for many threads on the same subject, which should be the normal practice.
nevertheless, IPPlan, PHPIP, PHPIPAM are good enough as per the need. The first one I assume should serve your purpose for both v4 and v6.
Regards,
Aftab A. Siddiqui
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 6:22 AM, Eric A Louie <elouie@yahoo.com> wrote:
I'm looking for IPAM solutions for a small regional wireless ISP. There are 4 Tier 2 personnel and 2 NOC technicians who would be using the tool, and a small staff of engineers.
They have regionalized IP addresses so blocks are local, but there are subnets that are global.
don't care if it's a linux or windows solution.
Need to be able to migrate from FreeIPdb (yes, I know, it's a dinosaur)
We're not dealing with a lot now, but the potential for growth is pretty high.
What are you using and how is it working for you?
Much appreciated, Eric
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On (2012-12-20 03:24 +0000), Blake Pfankuch wrote:
I actually was doing research on this today as well. Anyone have any experience with the solutions that implement VLAN management as well like Gestioip?
I'm not remotely interested in externally developed software for this problem. But it's fair question. Generally this tool should not be IP or VLAN based but generic resource reservation tool, IP, VLAN, RD, RT, VPLS-ID, site-id, pseudowireID what have you. For me, humans would not do much directly with the tool. They'd give it large chunk of resource. Then maybe mine it to pools like 'coreLink', 'coreLoop', 'custLink', 'custLAN' etc. Then in your provisioning tools, you'd request resource from specific pool via restful API. Humand would never manually write RD/RT/IP/VLAN in the tool or in the configs. And this type of system is vastly simpler than the IPAMs I see listed, once you get rid of all the UI candy, it gets rather easy problem to solve. -- ++ytti
On Thursday 20 December 2012 09:11:43 Saku Ytti wrote:
I actually was doing research on this today as well. Anyone have any experience with the solutions that implement VLAN management as well like Gestioip? I'm not remotely interested in externally developed software for this
On (2012-12-20 03:24 +0000), Blake Pfankuch wrote: problem.
what do you mean. i'd be fine with an opensource project providing this.
But it's fair question. Generally this tool should not be IP or VLAN based but generic resource reservation tool, IP, VLAN, RD, RT, VPLS-ID, site-id, pseudowireID what have you.
For me, humans would not do much directly with the tool. They'd give it large chunk of resource. Then maybe mine it to pools like 'coreLink', 'coreLoop', 'custLink', 'custLAN' etc. Then in your provisioning tools, you'd request resource from specific pool via restful API. Humand would never manually write RD/RT/IP/VLAN in the tool or in the configs. And this type of system is vastly simpler than the IPAMs I see listed, once you get rid of all the UI candy, it gets rather easy problem to solve.
this is a pretty accurate description of our requirements, as well. off the top of my head we'd also manage phone numbers, key ids, and key box ids, with it, but that would almost be a minor detail. ;-)
Thilo Bangert (thilo.bangert) writes:
Then in your provisioning tools, you'd request resource from specific pool via restful API. Humand would never manually write RD/RT/IP/VLAN in the tool or in the configs. And this type of system is vastly simpler than the IPAMs I see listed, once you get rid of all the UI candy, it gets rather easy problem to solve.
this is a pretty accurate description of our requirements, as well. off the top of my head we'd also manage phone numbers, key ids, and key box ids, with it, but that would almost be a minor detail. ;-)
I think many of these requirements would be met by Netdot... Cheers, Phil
On (2012-12-20 10:30 +0100), Thilo Bangert wrote:
I'm not remotely interested in externally developed software for this problem.
what do you mean. i'd be fine with an opensource project providing this.
If exactly what I want exist, of course I'd love to have it. But evaluating options, working with them until you realise it does not work for you might take more time to just build it in-house to fit your needs and integrate to your existing systems. I have same opinion for NMS also. Everything I see offered is terrible and do not even solve easy-to-solve problems correctly. -- ++ytti
Saku Ytti (saku) writes:
If exactly what I want exist, of course I'd love to have it. But evaluating options, working with them until you realise it does not work for you might take more time to just build it in-house to fit your needs and integrate to your existing systems.
I have same opinion for NMS also. Everything I see offered is terrible and do not even solve easy-to-solve problems correctly.
Right, that's what's great about Open Source :D Phil
On (2012-12-20 11:02 +0100), Phil Regnauld wrote:
I have same opinion for NMS also. Everything I see offered is terrible and do not even solve easy-to-solve problems correctly.
Right, that's what's great about Open Source :D
The comment fully applies to system like HP OV or NNM or what is it called today. It does nothing worth while to you without putting hours and hours of work into it. While it's easy to define what every SP wants out of NMS which can be turn-key, without spamming people with so many alarms that they stop caring about them. You can literally start from 0 and in 2h have software to send traps to IRC/XMPP and get alarms from link up/down, isis up/down, bgp up/down, ldp up/down, hardware inserted/removed, PSU offline/online etc. Which already to my demands is superior I can get out of any system in 2h I've looked into. -- ++ytti
This tool handle most of what you are asking for: http://www.nocproject.org/ -Josh On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 2:30 AM, Thilo Bangert <thilo.bangert@gmail.com>wrote:
On (2012-12-20 03:24 +0000), Blake Pfankuch wrote:
I actually was doing research on this today as well. Anyone have any experience with the solutions that implement VLAN management as well
On Thursday 20 December 2012 09:11:43 Saku Ytti wrote: like
Gestioip? I'm not remotely interested in externally developed software for this problem.
what do you mean. i'd be fine with an opensource project providing this.
But it's fair question. Generally this tool should not be IP or VLAN based but generic resource reservation tool, IP, VLAN, RD, RT, VPLS-ID, site-id, pseudowireID what have you.
For me, humans would not do much directly with the tool. They'd give it large chunk of resource. Then maybe mine it to pools like 'coreLink', 'coreLoop', 'custLink', 'custLAN' etc. Then in your provisioning tools, you'd request resource from specific pool via restful API. Humand would never manually write RD/RT/IP/VLAN in the tool or in the configs. And this type of system is vastly simpler than the IPAMs I see listed, once you get rid of all the UI candy, it gets rather easy problem to solve.
this is a pretty accurate description of our requirements, as well. off the top of my head we'd also manage phone numbers, key ids, and key box ids, with it, but that would almost be a minor detail. ;-)
On 20/12/2012 16:58, Josh Galvez wrote:
This tool handle most of what you are asking for:
hard to configure though. When it gets to the stage that it's relatively easy to configure and has good quality documentation, it will be awesome. Nick
-Josh
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 2:30 AM, Thilo Bangert <thilo.bangert@gmail.com>wrote:
On (2012-12-20 03:24 +0000), Blake Pfankuch wrote:
I actually was doing research on this today as well. Anyone have any experience with the solutions that implement VLAN management as well
On Thursday 20 December 2012 09:11:43 Saku Ytti wrote: like
Gestioip? I'm not remotely interested in externally developed software for this problem.
what do you mean. i'd be fine with an opensource project providing this.
But it's fair question. Generally this tool should not be IP or VLAN based but generic resource reservation tool, IP, VLAN, RD, RT, VPLS-ID, site-id, pseudowireID what have you.
For me, humans would not do much directly with the tool. They'd give it large chunk of resource. Then maybe mine it to pools like 'coreLink', 'coreLoop', 'custLink', 'custLAN' etc. Then in your provisioning tools, you'd request resource from specific pool via restful API. Humand would never manually write RD/RT/IP/VLAN in the tool or in the configs. And this type of system is vastly simpler than the IPAMs I see listed, once you get rid of all the UI candy, it gets rather easy problem to solve.
this is a pretty accurate description of our requirements, as well. off the top of my head we'd also manage phone numbers, key ids, and key box ids, with it, but that would almost be a minor detail. ;-)
On 12/20/12, Saku Ytti <saku@ytti.fi> wrote:
On (2012-12-20 03:24 +0000), Blake Pfankuch wrote: [snip]> For me, humans would not do much directly with the tool. They'd give it large chunk of resource. Then maybe mine it to pools like 'coreLink', 'coreLoop', 'custLink', 'custLAN' etc. Then in your provisioning tools, you'd request resource from specific pool via restful API. Humand would never manually write RD/RT/IP/VLAN in the [snip]
A CMDB that tracks configuration items. An IP address is just one kind of CI out of thousands. A good CMDBs should ideally provide efficient management, visualization, and reporting for all kinds of CIs Software that tracks such things should understand the internal structure of every kind of CI it tracks, and be able to easily answer simple questions, (eg. Which VLAN ID is assigned to the subnet that IP address Y belongs to. If IP Address Y is part of a static NAT configuration, on a LAN router, what external IP address and external VLAN Id is this IP associated with?). But is there a decently scalable open source application for building a CMDB, that is visually appealing and efficient for humans to use, without a ton of manual development; other than custom building applications and SQL schema by hand, for each kind of CI? I am not aware of one.... -- -JH
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 7:48 PM, Jimmy Hess <mysidia@gmail.com> wrote: ...
But is there a decently scalable open source application for building a CMDB, that is visually appealing and efficient for humans to use, without a ton of manual development; other than custom building applications and SQL schema by hand, for each kind of CI?
I am not aware of one....
I have not seen one, and I've been at places that have spent man-years building custom apps and SQL schema by hand in the lack of an available open source tool. -- -george william herbert george.herbert@gmail.com
Zenoss works very well as a cmdb. George Herbert <george.herbert@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 7:48 PM, Jimmy Hess <mysidia@gmail.com> wrote: ...
But is there a decently scalable open source application for building a CMDB, that is visually appealing and efficient for humans to use, without a ton of manual development; other than custom building applications and SQL schema by hand, for each kind of CI?
I am not aware of one....
I have not seen one, and I've been at places that have spent man-years building custom apps and SQL schema by hand in the lack of an available open source tool.
-- -george william herbert george.herbert@gmail.com
-- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
On 12/20/12, Charles N Wyble <charles-lists@knownelement.com> wrote:
Zenoss works very well as a cmdb.
Zenoss is very visually appealing, but a monitoring system for network hosts, not a CMDB. In particular, except through extensive custom programming, I see no mechanism to manage CIs with it or query for facts... Zenoss doesn't seem to have any way you can represent or, query, or model a fact that a certain IP address terminates in Vlan X, on device Y, with default gateway IP G that has NSAP ID H, and device Y lives in building A room 1 aisle 2 rack 4 rack slot number 5, fed by breakers 186 and 237, with upstream Ethernet cable ID #G296R plugged into port 39 on patch panel 2, which lands on Switch K port Gig8/44. Networks have many "items of importance" that are not hosts, also, and are not readily modelled using SNMP. -- -JH
On Dec 20, 2012, at 10:01 PM, Jimmy Hess <mysidia@gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/20/12, Charles N Wyble <charles-lists@knownelement.com> wrote:
Zenoss works very well as a cmdb.
Zenoss is very visually appealing, but a monitoring system for network hosts, not a CMDB.
In particular, except through extensive custom programming, I see no mechanism to manage CIs with it or query for facts...
Zenoss doesn't seem to have any way you can represent or, query, or model a fact that a certain IP address terminates in Vlan X, on device Y, with default gateway IP G that has NSAP ID H, and device Y lives in building A room 1 aisle 2 rack 4 rack slot number 5, fed by breakers 186 and 237, with upstream Ethernet cable ID #G296R plugged into port 39 on patch panel 2, which lands on Switch K port Gig8/44.
Networks have many "items of importance" that are not hosts, also, and are not readily modelled using SNMP.
Much less the application layer, physical SW installs or logical groupings layer, or a virtual hosts or internal cloud stack layer. Or tie ins to the release management or DevOps control layer. I know this is NANOG, but configuration control runs a ways up the stack... A proper CMDB will have to be able to take a much bigger picture. Not to slight Zenoss; it's good at what it does do. But that's not a CMDB. That is not to suggest that products that handle a limited slice of the stack in a more organized manner are not valuable. Every little bit helps, in the current absence of a delivered off-the-shelf comprehensive product. But if you've ever watched a comprehensive product run, partnered with a systems deploy tool with all the business logic on physical anti-affinity for power, rack, network layers, ... Provisioning a 1000+ node, 60+ server types app environment into a data center with one command line, selected, booted, network side VLANs allocated and configured, apps installed, apps configured, and ready for traffic... The data to be able to pull that off can be gathered and can be managed and used effectively. That's the power of a real, comprehensive CMDB. George William Herbert Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 20, 2012, at 9:26 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote:
Zenoss works very well
Um... you lost me after the first 4 words. Zenoss might work acceptably for very, very small organizations with very small amounts of data. Zenoss is incapable of scaling to even moderate-sized data sets with tens of thousands of data sources, nevermind medium sized data sets with millions of data sources. I work at a very small shop with three total engineers and Zenoss was unable to scale beyond 1/4 of our data sources with dozens of cores and hundreds of gigabytes of RAM on numerous systems. It doesn't actually use any of these, the internal deadlocks in the architecture make it impossible for it to scale. That Zenoss might make a better IP management tool than what it is purported and sold to do... amuses. -- Jo Rhett Net Consonance : net philanthropy to improve open source and internet projects.
Very small shop with millions of data sources? lol? On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 10:38 PM, Jo Rhett <jrhett@netconsonance.com> wrote:
On Dec 20, 2012, at 9:26 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote:
Zenoss works very well
Um... you lost me after the first 4 words. Zenoss might work acceptably for very, very small organizations with very small amounts of data. Zenoss is incapable of scaling to even moderate-sized data sets with tens of thousands of data sources, nevermind medium sized data sets with millions of data sources. I work at a very small shop with three total engineers and Zenoss was unable to scale beyond 1/4 of our data sources with dozens of cores and hundreds of gigabytes of RAM on numerous systems. It doesn't actually use any of these, the internal deadlocks in the architecture make it impossible for it to scale.
That Zenoss might make a better IP management tool than what it is purported and sold to do... amuses.
-- Jo Rhett Net Consonance : net philanthropy to improve open source and internet projects.
-- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
Small shop people wise with millions of customers and tens of thousands of application and log-derived data sources. We use Zenoss extensively and mostly we keep having to make decisions what data to pull out of it so it can function. I have previously worked at larger enterprises which had millions of data sources, and Zenoss couldn't dream of handling that, no matter how much hardware we threw at it. On Dec 24, 2012, at 10:48 PM, Mike Hale wrote:
Very small shop with millions of data sources?
lol?
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 10:38 PM, Jo Rhett <jrhett@netconsonance.com> wrote: On Dec 20, 2012, at 9:26 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote:
Zenoss works very well
Um... you lost me after the first 4 words. Zenoss might work acceptably for very, very small organizations with very small amounts of data. Zenoss is incapable of scaling to even moderate-sized data sets with tens of thousands of data sources, nevermind medium sized data sets with millions of data sources. I work at a very small shop with three total engineers and Zenoss was unable to scale beyond 1/4 of our data sources with dozens of cores and hundreds of gigabytes of RAM on numerous systems. It doesn't actually use any of these, the internal deadlocks in the architecture make it impossible for it to scale.
That Zenoss might make a better IP management tool than what it is purported and sold to do... amuses.
-- Jo Rhett Net Consonance : net philanthropy to improve open source and internet projects.
-- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
-- Jo Rhett Net Consonance : net philanthropy to improve open source and internet projects.
Ahhh. That sucks. I've never put our Zenoss installs through quite that much traffic. That's a shame to hear. On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 10:53 PM, Jo Rhett <jrhett@netconsonance.com> wrote:
Small shop people wise with millions of customers and tens of thousands of application and log-derived data sources. We use Zenoss extensively and mostly we keep having to make decisions what data to pull out of it so it can function.
I have previously worked at larger enterprises which had millions of data sources, and Zenoss couldn't dream of handling that, no matter how much hardware we threw at it.
On Dec 24, 2012, at 10:48 PM, Mike Hale wrote:
Very small shop with millions of data sources?
lol?
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 10:38 PM, Jo Rhett <jrhett@netconsonance.com>wrote:
On Dec 20, 2012, at 9:26 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote:
Zenoss works very well
Um... you lost me after the first 4 words. Zenoss might work acceptably for very, very small organizations with very small amounts of data. Zenoss is incapable of scaling to even moderate-sized data sets with tens of thousands of data sources, nevermind medium sized data sets with millions of data sources. I work at a very small shop with three total engineers and Zenoss was unable to scale beyond 1/4 of our data sources with dozens of cores and hundreds of gigabytes of RAM on numerous systems. It doesn't actually use any of these, the internal deadlocks in the architecture make it impossible for it to scale.
That Zenoss might make a better IP management tool than what it is purported and sold to do... amuses.
-- Jo Rhett Net Consonance : net philanthropy to improve open source and internet projects.
-- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
-- Jo Rhett Net Consonance : net philanthropy to improve open source and internet projects.
-- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
I ran Zenoss for a network with about 5k - 7k switches/APs, about 100 L3 devices (routers, firewalls), and about 50 servers/appliances without any polling problems. This was a few years ago on the open source product. With that said, we were reluctant to expand this to monitor the rest of our enterprise as the open source version didn't support distributed polling/collection, which might be the scaling issue Jo mentioned... That, unfortunately, was only available in the paid "enterprise" one. Other than that, we really liked it. On Dec 25, 2012, at 1:57 AM, Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@gmail.com> wrote:
Ahhh.
That sucks. I've never put our Zenoss installs through quite that much traffic. That's a shame to hear.
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 10:53 PM, Jo Rhett <jrhett@netconsonance.com> wrote:
Small shop people wise with millions of customers and tens of thousands of application and log-derived data sources. We use Zenoss extensively and mostly we keep having to make decisions what data to pull out of it so it can function.
I have previously worked at larger enterprises which had millions of data sources, and Zenoss couldn't dream of handling that, no matter how much hardware we threw at it.
On Dec 24, 2012, at 10:48 PM, Mike Hale wrote:
Very small shop with millions of data sources?
lol?
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 10:38 PM, Jo Rhett <jrhett@netconsonance.com>wrote:
On Dec 20, 2012, at 9:26 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote:
Zenoss works very well
Um... you lost me after the first 4 words. Zenoss might work acceptably for very, very small organizations with very small amounts of data. Zenoss is incapable of scaling to even moderate-sized data sets with tens of thousands of data sources, nevermind medium sized data sets with millions of data sources. I work at a very small shop with three total engineers and Zenoss was unable to scale beyond 1/4 of our data sources with dozens of cores and hundreds of gigabytes of RAM on numerous systems. It doesn't actually use any of these, the internal deadlocks in the architecture make it impossible for it to scale.
That Zenoss might make a better IP management tool than what it is purported and sold to do... amuses.
-- Jo Rhett Net Consonance : net philanthropy to improve open source and internet projects.
-- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
-- Jo Rhett Net Consonance : net philanthropy to improve open source and internet projects.
-- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 09:09:40PM -0600, Beavis wrote:
+1 for ipplan http://iptrack.sourceforge.net/
May I suggest Netmagis http://netmagis.org ? Pierre P.S.: I'm one of the authors
Only if you install it for me, Pierre! :-) (I'm not a sysadmin, I just play one on the Internet) Software prerequisite Netmagis needs the following software:(not the usual yada yada yada, to quote Google) Much appreciated, Eric ________________________________ From: Pierre DAVID <pdagog@gmail.com> To: NANOG Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Fri, December 21, 2012 7:20:14 AM Subject: Re: IP Address Management IPAM software for small ISP On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 09:09:40PM -0600, Beavis wrote:
+1 for ipplan http://iptrack.sourceforge.net/
May I suggest Netmagis http://netmagis.org ? Pierre P.S.: I'm one of the authors
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 10:47:14AM -0800, Eric A Louie wrote:
Only if you install it for me, Pierre! :-) (I'm not a sysadmin, I just play one on the Internet)
Software prerequisite Netmagis needs the following software:(not the usual yada yada yada, to quote Google)
Much appreciated, Eric
It not the usual because Netmagis has more than usual functionnalities. You can use a Debian binary package or a FreeBSD port (Netmagis is included in the FreeBSD port collection). Both install all prerequesites for you. http://netmagis.org/download.html Pierre
A colleague and myself wrote one in PHP that supports v4 and v6. It's available on sourceforge: http://sourceforge.net/projects/subnetsmngr/?source=directory We like it. Features Manage subnets and hosts IPv4 and IPv6 support All subnetting math done for you. Auto-allocates and collapses subnets Subnet groups Assign customers to subnets and send SWIPs to ARIN PowerDNS integration to update reverse and A records for hosts Jeremy Malli Mammoth Networks On 12/12/2012 6:22 PM, Eric A Louie wrote:
I'm looking for IPAM solutions for a small regional wireless ISP. There are 4 Tier 2 personnel and 2 NOC technicians who would be using the tool, and a small staff of engineers.
They have regionalized IP addresses so blocks are local, but there are subnets that are global.
don't care if it's a linux or windows solution.
Need to be able to migrate from FreeIPdb (yes, I know, it's a dinosaur)
We're not dealing with a lot now, but the potential for growth is pretty high.
What are you using and how is it working for you?
Much appreciated, Eric
On Wednesday 12 December 2012 17:22:36 Eric A Louie wrote:
What are you using and how is it working for you?
we are using tipp, and while it doesnt cover all our needs (yet), it's worth a look: http://tipp.tobez.org/ https://github.com/tobez/tipp
Eric, you should look at 6connect. They have a good product for IPv4 and IPv6 address management. -Mike -----Original Message----- From: Eric A Louie [mailto:elouie@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 8:23 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: IP Address Management IPAM software for small ISP I'm looking for IPAM solutions for a small regional wireless ISP. There are 4 Tier 2 personnel and 2 NOC technicians who would be using the tool, and a small staff of engineers. They have regionalized IP addresses so blocks are local, but there are subnets that are global. don't care if it's a linux or windows solution. Need to be able to migrate from FreeIPdb (yes, I know, it's a dinosaur) We're not dealing with a lot now, but the potential for growth is pretty high. What are you using and how is it working for you? Much appreciated, Eric
It looks like it's hosted only - true? That's neither a good or bad - but the MRC could be a concern. Much appreciated, Eric ________________________________ From: Mike Walter <mwalter@3z.net> To: Eric A Louie <elouie@yahoo.com>; "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Thu, December 13, 2012 12:25:44 PM Subject: RE: IP Address Management IPAM software for small ISP Eric, you should look at 6connect. They have a good product for IPv4 and IPv6 address management. -Mike -----Original Message----- From: Eric A Louie [mailto:elouie@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 8:23 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: IP Address Management IPAM software for small ISP I'm looking for IPAM solutions for a small regional wireless ISP. There are 4 Tier 2 personnel and 2 NOC technicians who would be using the tool, and a small staff of engineers. They have regionalized IP addresses so blocks are local, but there are subnets that are global. don't care if it's a linux or windows solution. Need to be able to migrate from FreeIPdb (yes, I know, it's a dinosaur) We're not dealing with a lot now, but the potential for growth is pretty high. What are you using and how is it working for you? Much appreciated, Eric
They've had an on-premise product in the past, I'm sure it's still an option. Last time I looked at their VRF support it was still lacking, there's supposed to be improvements to it in 1Q13. Sent from my mobile device, so please excuse any horrible misspellings. On Dec 13, 2012, at 15:48, Eric A Louie <elouie@yahoo.com> wrote:
It looks like it's hosted only - true? That's neither a good or bad - but the MRC could be a concern.
Much appreciated, Eric
________________________________ From: Mike Walter <mwalter@3z.net> To: Eric A Louie <elouie@yahoo.com>; "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Thu, December 13, 2012 12:25:44 PM Subject: RE: IP Address Management IPAM software for small ISP
Eric, you should look at 6connect. They have a good product for IPv4 and IPv6 address management.
-Mike
-----Original Message----- From: Eric A Louie [mailto:elouie@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 8:23 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: IP Address Management IPAM software for small ISP
I'm looking for IPAM solutions for a small regional wireless ISP. There are 4 Tier 2 personnel and 2 NOC technicians who would be using the tool, and a small staff of engineers.
They have regionalized IP addresses so blocks are local, but there are subnets that are global.
don't care if it's a linux or windows solution.
Need to be able to migrate from FreeIPdb (yes, I know, it's a dinosaur)
We're not dealing with a lot now, but the potential for growth is pretty high.
What are you using and how is it working for you?
Much appreciated, Eric
Eric, We recently migrate away from IPPlan to 6connect. There is significant cost to the application but the end result (IMHO) is well worth it. IPPlan was great that is used MySQL, as many of us use that DB, so integration was easy, but what we were trying to do with the integration on the "backend" with IPPlan, 6connect does out of the box. DNS integration, RESTful with ARIN, user access control etc. Not trying to sell the product here, just saying that we went through what you are going through and if it helps, I wish we had the time back that we put into IPPlan. They have hosted and "local" installs available, but they prefer the hosted model. We did local install. -- Jim On Dec 12, 2012, at 8:22 PM, Eric A Louie wrote: I'm looking for IPAM solutions for a small regional wireless ISP. There are 4 Tier 2 personnel and 2 NOC technicians who would be using the tool, and a small staff of engineers. They have regionalized IP addresses so blocks are local, but there are subnets that are global. don't care if it's a linux or windows solution. Need to be able to migrate from FreeIPdb (yes, I know, it's a dinosaur) We're not dealing with a lot now, but the potential for growth is pretty high. What are you using and how is it working for you? Much appreciated, Eric
Thanks James. We just activated a demo with 6Connect last week. We'll see how it goes. Much appreciated, Eric ________________________________ From: James Wininger <jwininger@ifncom.net> To: Eric A Louie <elouie@yahoo.com> Cc: "<nanog@nanog.org>" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Mon, December 17, 2012 8:56:53 AM Subject: Re: IP Address Management IPAM software for small ISP Eric, We recently migrate away from IPPlan to 6connect. There is significant cost to the application but the end result (IMHO) is well worth it. IPPlan was great that is used MySQL, as many of us use that DB, so integration was easy, but what we were trying to do with the integration on the "backend" with IPPlan, 6connect does out of the box. DNS integration, RESTful with ARIN, user access control etc. Not trying to sell the product here, just saying that we went through what you are going through and if it helps, I wish we had the time back that we put into IPPlan. They have hosted and "local" installs available, but they prefer the hosted model. We did local install. -- Jim On Dec 12, 2012, at 8:22 PM, Eric A Louie wrote: I'm looking for IPAM solutions for a small regional wireless ISP. There are 4
Tier 2 personnel and 2 NOC technicians who would be using the tool, and a small
staff of engineers.
They have regionalized IP addresses so blocks are local, but there are subnets that are global.
don't care if it's a linux or windows solution.
Need to be able to migrate from FreeIPdb (yes, I know, it's a dinosaur)
We're not dealing with a lot now, but the potential for growth is pretty high.
What are you using and how is it working for you?
Much appreciated, Eric
Hey guys - We too are evaluating 6Connect, moving away from BlueCat Proteus. So far so good on the backend and with automation. We start our net ops operational trials tomorrow. Blake -----Original Message----- From: Eric A Louie [mailto:elouie@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:57 AM To: James Wininger Cc: <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: IP Address Management IPAM software for small ISP Thanks James. We just activated a demo with 6Connect last week. We'll see how it goes. Much appreciated, Eric ________________________________ From: James Wininger <jwininger@ifncom.net> To: Eric A Louie <elouie@yahoo.com> Cc: "<nanog@nanog.org>" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Mon, December 17, 2012 8:56:53 AM Subject: Re: IP Address Management IPAM software for small ISP Eric, We recently migrate away from IPPlan to 6connect. There is significant cost to the application but the end result (IMHO) is well worth it. IPPlan was great that is used MySQL, as many of us use that DB, so integration was easy, but what we were trying to do with the integration on the "backend" with IPPlan, 6connect does out of the box. DNS integration, RESTful with ARIN, user access control etc. Not trying to sell the product here, just saying that we went through what you are going through and if it helps, I wish we had the time back that we put into IPPlan. They have hosted and "local" installs available, but they prefer the hosted model. We did local install. -- Jim On Dec 12, 2012, at 8:22 PM, Eric A Louie wrote: I'm looking for IPAM solutions for a small regional wireless ISP. There are 4
Tier 2 personnel and 2 NOC technicians who would be using the tool, and a small
staff of engineers.
They have regionalized IP addresses so blocks are local, but there are subnets that are global.
don't care if it's a linux or windows solution.
Need to be able to migrate from FreeIPdb (yes, I know, it's a dinosaur)
We're not dealing with a lot now, but the potential for growth is pretty high.
What are you using and how is it working for you?
Much appreciated, Eric
On Jan 23, 2013, at 14:42, "Blake Gillman" <bgillman@godaddy.com> wrote:
Hey guys - We too are evaluating 6Connect, moving away from BlueCat Proteus.
What are some of the reasons you are migrating away from BlueCat's products? -Adam
So far so good on the backend and with automation. We start our net ops operational trials tomorrow.
Blake
-----Original Message----- From: Eric A Louie [mailto:elouie@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:57 AM To: James Wininger Cc: <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: IP Address Management IPAM software for small ISP
Thanks James. We just activated a demo with 6Connect last week. We'll see how it goes.
Much appreciated, Eric
________________________________ From: James Wininger <jwininger@ifncom.net> To: Eric A Louie <elouie@yahoo.com> Cc: "<nanog@nanog.org>" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Mon, December 17, 2012 8:56:53 AM Subject: Re: IP Address Management IPAM software for small ISP
Eric,
We recently migrate away from IPPlan to 6connect. There is significant cost to the application but the end result (IMHO) is well worth it.
IPPlan was great that is used MySQL, as many of us use that DB, so integration was easy, but what we were trying to do with the integration on the "backend" with IPPlan, 6connect does out of the box.
DNS integration, RESTful with ARIN, user access control etc. Not trying to sell the product here, just saying that we went through what you are going through and if it helps, I wish we had the time back that we put into IPPlan.
They have hosted and "local" installs available, but they prefer the hosted model. We did local install.
--
Jim
On Dec 12, 2012, at 8:22 PM, Eric A Louie wrote:
I'm looking for IPAM solutions for a small regional wireless ISP. There are 4
Tier 2 personnel and 2 NOC technicians who would be using the tool, and a small
staff of engineers.
They have regionalized IP addresses so blocks are local, but there are subnets that are global.
don't care if it's a linux or windows solution.
Need to be able to migrate from FreeIPdb (yes, I know, it's a dinosaur)
We're not dealing with a lot now, but the potential for growth is pretty high.
What are you using and how is it working for you?
Much appreciated, Eric
Infoblox just started offering the IPAM portion of their software for free, http://www.infoblox.com/en/resources/software-downloads/ip-address-managemen... We've been using the full-blown commercial appliances (IPAM, DHCP, and DNS), not the freeware. I don't know exactly how it works without the other pieces integrated, but it may be worth a look.
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