RE: How many ISPs are out there?
I was actually thinking along IAP (Internet Access Provider) lines. But, most folks lump ISPs and IAPs in the same breath.
-----Original Message----- From: Adam Rothschild [mailto:asr@latency.net] Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 11:09 PM To: Roeland Meyer Cc: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: How many ISPs are out there?
On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 10:37:01PM -0700, Roeland Meyer wrote:
Is there a site that can give me that info?
When in doubt, ask Jeeves:
<http://www.ask.com/main/askjeeves.asp?ask=How+many+ISPs+are+o ut+there%3F>
What exactly is an ISP anyways?
-a
I was actually thinking along IAP (Internet Access Provider) lines. But, most folks lump ISPs and IAPs in the same breath.
Ouchie. I've always heard IAP as "Internet Applications Provider" -- the exact opposite in most senses of an access provider. TLA collision ... -- Joe Rhett Chief Geek JRhett@ISite.Net ISite Services, Inc.
> > I was actually thinking along IAP (Internet Access Provider) lines. But, > > most folks lump ISPs and IAPs in the same breath. > > Ouchie. I've always heard IAP as "Internet Applications Provider" -- the > exact opposite in most senses of an access provider. TLA collision ... "Internet Access Provider" is the generally-accepted expansion of the acronym. IAP, ISP, and NSP were the abbreviations used in the NII, the National Information Infrastructure document in which the original NAPs were formed and the NSFNet backbone was phased out of production use. -Bill
how many active ASN's are there?
I was actually thinking along IAP (Internet Access Provider) lines. But, most folks lump ISPs and IAPs in the same breath.
-----Original Message----- From: Adam Rothschild [mailto:asr@latency.net] Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 11:09 PM To: Roeland Meyer Cc: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: How many ISPs are out there?
On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 10:37:01PM -0700, Roeland Meyer wrote:
Is there a site that can give me that info?
When in doubt, ask Jeeves:
<http://www.ask.com/main/askjeeves.asp?ask=How+many+ISPs+are+o ut+there%3F>
What exactly is an ISP anyways?
-a
At 09:21 24/07/2001 +0000, bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com wrote:
how many active ASN's are there?
and minus the other multihoming networks... Hmmm, and looking at the list of ASNs it's pretty hard to work out which are ISPs and which are not. And then what about those ISPs who don't have an ASN... p
I was actually thinking along IAP (Internet Access Provider) lines. But, most folks lump ISPs and IAPs in the same breath.
-----Original Message----- From: Adam Rothschild [mailto:asr@latency.net] Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 11:09 PM To: Roeland Meyer Cc: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: How many ISPs are out there?
On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 10:37:01PM -0700, Roeland Meyer wrote:
Is there a site that can give me that info?
When in doubt, ask Jeeves:
<http://www.ask.com/main/askjeeves.asp?ask=How+many+ISPs+are+o> >
ut+there%3F>
What exactly is an ISP anyways?
-a
well, once upon a time.... you weren't really considered an "ISP" unless you were able to play the BGP game. So an ASN once was an hallmark of an I{A,S}P. Things change so I expect it is much harder to figure out, externally, what an I{A,S}P is than it used to be. I still use the ASN token as a discriminator. YMMV
At 09:21 24/07/2001 +0000, bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com wrote:
how many active ASN's are there?
and minus the other multihoming networks...
Hmmm, and looking at the list of ASNs it's pretty hard to work out which are ISPs and which are not.
And then what about those ISPs who don't have an ASN...
p
I was actually thinking along IAP (Internet Access Provider) lines. But, most folks lump ISPs and IAPs in the same breath.
-----Original Message----- From: Adam Rothschild [mailto:asr@latency.net] Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 11:09 PM To: Roeland Meyer Cc: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: How many ISPs are out there?
On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 10:37:01PM -0700, Roeland Meyer wrote:
Is there a site that can give me that info?
When in doubt, ask Jeeves:
<http://www.ask.com/main/askjeeves.asp?ask=How+many+ISPs+are+o> >
ut+there%3F>
What exactly is an ISP anyways?
-a
Unless the network is lying to me again, bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com said:
well, once upon a time.... you weren't really considered an "ISP" unless you were able to play the BGP game. So an ASN once was an hallmark of an I{A,S}P. Things change so I expect it is much harder to figure out, externally, what an I{A,S}P is than it used to be. I still use the ASN token as a discriminator. YMMV
Additionally, you need to subtract out the ones that have gone out of business. I was looking thru the ASN list and right off the top found about 5 that I recognized as defunct within the first 5000. (ok, ok, 5 / 5000... maybe you don't need to subtract them out after all) AlanC {stunned that we just got an ASN in the 2xxxxx range}
Unless the network is lying to me again, Alan Clegg said:
AlanC {stunned that we just got an ASN in the 2xxxxx range}
Uh... 2x,xxx not 2xx,xxx. It's WAY to early in the AM. AlanC -- Alan Clegg I do UNIX and Networks alan@clegg.com I don't have any certification I have experience
At 7/24/01 09:08 PM, Alan Clegg wrote:
Additionally, you need to subtract out the ones that have gone out of business. I was looking thru the ASN list and right off the top found about 5 that I recognized as defunct within the first 5000.
(ok, ok, 5 / 5000... maybe you don't need to subtract them out after all)
AlanC {stunned that we just got an ASN in the 2xxxxx range}
There are 11,358 AS's currently announced in the BGP table in my neck of the woods (http://www.telstra.net/ops/bgp/bgp-as-count.html) Other folk see 11,332 (AS 286) and 11,330 (AS 818). The highest AS number being announced at present is AS21949
On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, Philip Smith wrote:
At 09:21 24/07/2001 +0000, bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com wrote:
how many active ASN's are there?
and minus the other multihoming networks...
Hmmm, and looking at the list of ASNs it's pretty hard to work out which are ISPs and which are not.
And then what about those ISPs who don't have an ASN...
I would hazard a guess that numerically, far less than half of the ISPs have ASNs. We only got ours a few months ago, and out of curiousity, I pulled out the local Yellow Pages and started doing whois's on ASNs. I found that only one other ISP (much larger) based out of Bucks County, PA, appeared to have an ASN (out of approx a dozen total). I'd guess that about a third of the ISPs are multihomed, and less than a third of those have an ASN. James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor up@3.am http://3.am =========================================================================
I would have to agree with James that ASN probably isn't a good indicator. We waited nearly three years before getting an ASN (about 2 years too long actually...). When we did multihome it was for reliability as our single provider was proving to be dangerous to our health. I gave up on trying to keep Boardwatch up to date a long time ago. Once they completely wrecked the usefulness of the listings by returning 59,303 virtual and national ISP's to any request for a local ISP there didn't seem to be much point... Mark Radabaugh Amplex (419) 833-3635
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