As someone growing in the end of ipv4, its all fake. Sure, the rirs will run out, but that's boring. Don't believe the fake auction sites. Fair price of IP at the end is $1 for bad Rep $2 for barely used, $3 for no spam and $4 for legacy. Stop the inflation. Millions of IPS exist, there is no shortage and don't lie for rirs with IPS left.
As someone growing in the end of ipv4, its all fake. Sure, the rirs will run out, but that's boring.
yes, a lot of news at eleven. and there is and will continue to be a very active market as the large 'gas' in ipv4 space settles. but ...
Fair price of IP at the end is $1 for bad Rep $2 for barely used, $3 for no spam and $4 for legacy.
is this supported by market data, or is it an assertion of what you think/wish the market should be. if the latter, do you have a track record in predicting markets? randy
On Mar 22, 2014 12:08 AM, "Bryan Socha" <bryan@digitalocean.com> wrote:
As someone growing in the end of ipv4, its all fake. Sure, the rirs
will
run out, but that's boring. Don't believe the fake auction sites. Fair price of IP at the end is $1 for bad Rep $2 for barely used, $3 for no spam and $4 for legacy. Stop the inflation. Millions of IPS exist, there is no shortage and don't lie for rirs with IPS left.
That's cute that you think "millions" of ipv4 on the market solves anything for someone who "growing" end-points ... especially the VM business, you can only sell as many VMs as you have IPv4. Your business is tightly coupled to ipv4, so i understand you *want* to believe. You can pay $3 per ipv4, that is your business. But, it may be worth noting that AT&T, Verizon, Comcast, T-Mobile, TWT, Google Fiber all have have double digit ipv6 penetration today. Google, Yahoo, Wikipedia and Facebook all have v6 today, and Facebook is shifting to an ipv6-only data center https://www.dropbox.com/s/doazzo5ygu3idna/WorldIPv6Congress-IPv6_LH%20v2.pdf T-Mobile US is also close to 10% ipv6-only end-points a la rfc6877/464xlat today So, perhaps, what you are saying is, ipv4 address utility has peaked, the price is coming down due to supply/demand forces (less people need ipv4, so more are willing to sell, more sellers with less demand equals lower prices) That said, have a ball with that. I bet there is someone out there that is buying x.25 switches for pennies on the dollar by the pallet. But you may find that performance of ipv4-only service will struggle to get through transition mechansism that are rationing and ipv4 ports ...after all, google and facebook just work on v6, so your ipv4 quality issue may not bubble up so quick. CB
On Sat, 22 Mar 2014, Cb B wrote:
You can pay $3 per ipv4, that is your business. But, it may be worth noting that AT&T, Verizon, Comcast, T-Mobile, TWT, Google Fiber all have have double digit ipv6 penetration today.
To be fair: Verizon Wireless, if you're referring to 4G LTE? Agreed. I don't know what the plan is for the remaining 3G services. Verizon Enterprise (what used to be UUNET)? Agreed. Verizon Online (Fios, DSL)? I have to disagree. Lots of foot-dragging here. Most carriers appear to be making IPv6 capability a requirement for their LTE buildouts. The only major US carrier that I hears was resisting IPv6 was Sprint, and I don't know if their position has changed in the past 12 months. jms
On Mar 22, 2014, at 7:40 AM, Justin M. Streiner <streiner@cluebyfour.org> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Mar 2014, Cb B wrote:
You can pay $3 per ipv4, that is your business. But, it may be worth noting that AT&T, Verizon, Comcast, T-Mobile, TWT, Google Fiber all have have double digit ipv6 penetration today.
To be fair: Verizon Wireless, if you're referring to 4G LTE? Agreed.
I don't know what the plan is for the remaining 3G services.
I get IPv6 on both 3G and 4GLTE from VZW.
Verizon Enterprise (what used to be UUNET)? Agreed. Verizon Online (Fios, DSL)? I have to disagree. Lots of foot-dragging here.
Similar with AT&T Wireless. If you want to have some fun, open up a ticket with your carrier if you can’t reach http://thegoodlife.delong.com It has an AAAA record, but no A record. In my experience, most carriers will not even figure out the nature of the problem.
Most carriers appear to be making IPv6 capability a requirement for their LTE buildouts. The only major US carrier that I hears was resisting IPv6 was Sprint, and I don't know if their position has changed in the past 12 months.
To the best of my knowledge it has not. However, I think a big part of that is that sprint thought they could spell 4GLTE using the letters W-I-M-A-X. Owen
Since you seem to know a lot more than the rest of us about the value of an IPv4 address, why aren't you buying them for this $1-4 price and then making yourself a billionaire by selling them at $11? On Sat, 22 Mar 2014, Bryan Socha wrote:
As someone growing in the end of ipv4, its all fake. Sure, the rirs will run out, but that's boring. Don't believe the fake auction sites. Fair price of IP at the end is $1 for bad Rep $2 for barely used, $3 for no spam and $4 for legacy. Stop the inflation. Millions of IPS exist, there is no shortage and don't lie for rirs with IPS left.
-- Brandon Ross Yahoo & AIM: BrandonNRoss +1-404-635-6667 ICQ: 2269442 Skype: brandonross Schedule a meeting: http://www.doodle.com/bross
Because he doesn¹t have 1/4 billion dollars to buy 1-4 dollar price and sell at 10+.. Duh. On 3/24/14, 4:46 AM, "Brandon Ross" <bross@pobox.com> wrote:
Since you seem to know a lot more than the rest of us about the value of an IPv4 address, why aren't you buying them for this $1-4 price and then making yourself a billionaire by selling them at $11?
On Sat, 22 Mar 2014, Bryan Socha wrote:
As someone growing in the end of ipv4, its all fake. Sure, the rirs will run out, but that's boring. Don't believe the fake auction sites. Fair price of IP at the end is $1 for bad Rep $2 for barely used, $3 for no spam and $4 for legacy. Stop the inflation. Millions of IPS exist, there is no shortage and don't lie for rirs with IPS left.
-- Brandon Ross Yahoo & AIM: BrandonNRoss +1-404-635-6667 ICQ: 2269442 Skype: brandonross Schedule a meeting: http://www.doodle.com/bross
On (2014-03-24 07:46 -0400), Brandon Ross wrote:
Since you seem to know a lot more than the rest of us about the value of an IPv4 address, why aren't you buying them for this $1-4 price and then making yourself a billionaire by selling them at $11?
Maybe he does not suspect enough clueless people exist to pay that premium? Starting LIR + company, costs about 4000EUR, this gives you /22 for LIR, putting IPv4 address price at <4EUR. You can do this as many times you want right now, and migrate the LIRs together to avoid subsequent YRC. -- ++ytti
On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 6:56 AM, Saku Ytti <saku@ytti.fi> wrote:
On (2014-03-24 07:46 -0400), Brandon Ross wrote:
Maybe he does not suspect enough clueless people exist to pay that premium?
Starting LIR + company, costs about 4000EUR, this gives you /22 for LIR, putting IPv4 address price at <4EUR. You can do this as many times you want right now, and migrate the LIRs together to avoid subsequent YRC.
Perhaps that's a way to game the last /8 policy in the RIPE region. I don't know enough about it to say one way or another. (And even then it seems like you can only do that for a limited period of time.) But ARIN doesn't have a last /8 policy. When we're out, we're out. Just a small bit in reserve for critical infrastructure. None for ISP startups or end users. If you need IPv4 at that point, best see if you can find some on the market. Scott
On (2014-03-24 08:02 -0500), Timothy Morizot wrote:
Perhaps that's a way to game the last /8 policy in the RIPE region. I don't know enough about it to say one way or another. (And even then it seems like you can only do that for a limited period of time.) But ARIN doesn't have a last /8 policy. When we're out, we're out. Just a small bit in reserve for critical infrastructure. None for ISP startups or end users. If you need IPv4 at that point, best see if you can find some on the market.
Britons are jovial bunch and will let you incorporate there just like anyone else. -- ++ytti
https://www.digitalocean.com/community/questions/when-ipv6-will-be-fully-sup... then links to http://digitalocean.uservoice.com/forums/136585-digital-ocean/suggestions/26... it all, really... Scott On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 12:07 AM, Bryan Socha <bryan@digitalocean.com>wrote:
As someone growing in the end of ipv4, its all fake. Sure, the rirs will run out, but that's boring. Don't believe the fake auction sites. Fair price of IP at the end is $1 for bad Rep $2 for barely used, $3 for no spam and $4 for legacy. Stop the inflation. Millions of IPS exist, there is no shortage and don't lie for rirs with IPS left.
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