Agreed . . . . 100%. If anyone is telling you that they are prohibited from setting any price they want due to tariff limitations then they are probably clueless sales folks. If they insist on the tariff excuse then suggest that they file an ICB (Individual Case Basis) tariff for dry NAP copper. Then they can price the interconnect however they want. ---------------------------------- Chad Skidmore Director of Network Engineering Northwest Nexus, Inc. cskidmor@nwnexus.com http://www.nwnexus.com PGP Fingerprint: 91FE A089 E555 BA3C A902 E144 9174 16C9 6143 28FB

-----Original Message----- From: Rodney Joffe [SMTP:rjoffe@genuity.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 1997 11:28 AM To: 'NANOG' Subject: RE: NAP Architecture

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-----Original Message----- From: the Riz [SMTP:riz@beast.boogers.sf.ca.us] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 1997 10:07 AM To: blkirk@float.eli.net Cc: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: NAP Architecture

This *is* becoming more popular; in the US, the main problem is that many (most?) of the exchange points are operated by telcos, who are tariffed. This means that any connection between separate entities is a "circuit" that they must charge a certain minimum amount for. As more telcos manage to move their exchange point operations into the non-regulated portion of their respected businesses, this may change, and exchanges are currently being built by non-telco entities, which are allowed to have more reasonable charges to connect cages in the same facility together. (Disclaimer: in my other life, I work for one such facility... the PAIX in Palo Alto)

Baloney.......

I defy anyone to show me a "tariff" for interconnects at a NAP.

There is no such thing. 'cos, as y'all know, if it was tariffed, there wouldn't be any 'special' deals.

The phrase is "Highway robbery". The problem is they don't even have the class to let you see the gun.