[OT]Microsoft makes networked software 'illegal' on XP unless you pay them...
From http://www.infoworld.com/articles/op/xml/02/03/18/020318oplivingston.xml Microsoft's XP license agreement says, "Except as otherwise permitted by the NetMeeting, Remote Assistance, and Remote Desktop features described below, you may not use the Product to permit any Device to use, access, display, or run other executable software residing on the Workstation Computer, nor may you permit any Device to use, access, display, or run the Product or Product's user interface, unless the Device has a separate license for the Product." I guess this improves security.... bye, Bruce Williams "Asking the wrong questions is the leading cause of wrong answers"
From what I see here in DC, nobody's REALLY interested in addressing security long term, as it will rock the boat too much; so we continue seeing
That's funny. Yet another case of someone - either a company through licensing and litigation, or a government through legislation - trying to effect both software quality. Forget the fact that such tools may be exploitable - if you're a computer criminal, the fact you're violating a software license clause probably isn't going to deter you from your actions, much like how 'drug crimes using a gun' probably doesn't deter many drug criminals, either. Instead of addressing the technical problem - eg, poor software development and flaws in how the software works - we're once again seeing it legislated/litigated away (I'm thinking of Adobe E-Reader, DeCSS, etc here). Talk about burying your head in the sand, which appears to be the status quo, even in today's environment of security hysteria where we 'need to do more'. little goofy ways to look like security is being addressed when in reality, security ISN'T being addressed. rf infowarrior.org windows-free since 1999 :)
From: Bruce Williams <brucewms@pacbell.net> From http://www.infoworld.com/articles/op/xml/02/03/18/020318oplivingston.xml
Microsoft's XP license agreement says, "Except as otherwise permitted by the NetMeeting, Remote Assistance, and Remote Desktop features described below, you may not use the Product to permit any Device to use, access, display, or run other executable software residing on the Workstation Computer, nor may you permit any Device to use, access, display, or run the Product or Product's user interface, unless the Device has a separate license for the Product."
I guess this improves security....
bye, Bruce Williams "Asking the wrong questions is the leading cause of wrong answers"
Err--I think you guys are reading too much into this. The license (to me, and IANAL), seems to indicate that the workstation cannot be used as a server unless you purchase server licenses. It strikes me that language very similar to this has been in the workstation products since NT4. I do, OTOH, think that the legal ramifications sounds quite far-reaching since the language is so broad.
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Richard Forno Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 9:22 AM To: brucewms@pacbell.net; Nanog (E-mail) Subject: Re: [OT]Microsoft makes networked software 'illegal' on XPunless you pay them...
That's funny.
Yet another case of someone - either a company through licensing and litigation, or a government through legislation - trying to effect both software quality.
Forget the fact that such tools may be exploitable - if you're a computer criminal, the fact you're violating a software license clause probably isn't going to deter you from your actions, much like how 'drug crimes using a gun' probably doesn't deter many drug criminals, either.
Instead of addressing the technical problem - eg, poor software development and flaws in how the software works - we're once again seeing it legislated/litigated away (I'm thinking of Adobe E-Reader, DeCSS, etc here). Talk about burying your head in the sand, which appears to be the status quo, even in today's environment of security hysteria where we 'need to do more'.
From what I see here in DC, nobody's REALLY interested in addressing security long term, as it will rock the boat too much; so we continue seeing little goofy ways to look like security is being addressed when in reality, security ISN'T being addressed.
rf infowarrior.org windows-free since 1999 :)
From: Bruce Williams <brucewms@pacbell.net> From
http://www.infoworld.com/articles/op/xml/02/03/18/020318oplivi ngston.xml
Microsoft's XP license agreement says, "Except as otherwise permitted by the NetMeeting, Remote Assistance, and Remote Desktop features described below, you may not use the Product to permit any Device to use, access, display, or run other executable software residing on the Workstation Computer, nor may you permit any Device to use, access, display, or run the Product or Product's user interface, unless the Device has a separate license for the Product."
I guess this improves security....
bye, Bruce Williams "Asking the wrong questions is the leading cause of wrong answers"
That's one possible reading. It could also be seen as making it illegal to run products like PCAnywhere and VNC, or possibly even doing a PalmOS remote hotsynch, without an additional license being purchased.
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Benjamin P. Grubin Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 9:02 AM Subject: RE: [OT]Microsoft makes networked software 'illegal' on XPunless you pay them...
Err--I think you guys are reading too much into this. The license (to me, and IANAL), seems to indicate that the workstation cannot be used as a server unless you purchase server licenses. It strikes me that language very similar to this has been in the workstation products since NT4.
Microsoft's XP license agreement says, "Except as otherwise permitted
by
the NetMeeting, Remote Assistance, and Remote Desktop features described below, you may not use the Product to permit any Device to use, access, display, or run other executable software residing on the Workstation Computer, nor may you permit any Device to use, access, display, or run the Product or Product's user interface, unless the Device has a separate license for the Product."
Well, I think new MS XP licensing said something like the Win file/print sharing can not be used by any GPL software, thus attempting to prevent Linux et al from sitting on a Win network and using Win network resources......but I forget where I heard that....maybe it was slashdot. In MS case, it never hurts to read too much into their legaleese or business cases. :) rf
From: "Rachel Luxemburg" <rslux@link-net.com> Reply-To: <rslux@link-net.com> Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 10:17:27 -0700 To: "'Nanog (E-mail)'" <nanog@merit.edu> Subject: RE: [OT] Microsoft makes networked software 'illegal' on XP.
That's one possible reading. It could also be seen as making it illegal to run products like PCAnywhere and VNC, or possibly even doing a PalmOS remote hotsynch, without an additional license being purchased.
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Benjamin P. Grubin Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 9:02 AM Subject: RE: [OT]Microsoft makes networked software 'illegal' on XPunless you pay them...
Err--I think you guys are reading too much into this. The license (to me, and IANAL), seems to indicate that the workstation cannot be used as a server unless you purchase server licenses. It strikes me that language very similar to this has been in the workstation products since NT4.
Microsoft's XP license agreement says, "Except as otherwise permitted
by
the NetMeeting, Remote Assistance, and Remote Desktop features described below, you may not use the Product to permit any Device to use, access, display, or run other executable software residing on the Workstation Computer, nor may you permit any Device to use, access, display, or run the Product or Product's user interface, unless the Device has a separate license for the Product."
Programs made "illegal" by this license: VNC PCAnywhere Apache (CGI) IIS (CGI) <-- Weird, ain't it? etc... It could conceivably be applied to dedicated Quake servers and the like as well. Easy way to solve problem, don't run Wndows VMSNT2kXP :) Apologies for the non-op content, back to your regularly scheduled noc pinging. -S On Sun, 21 Apr 2002, Benjamin P. Grubin wrote:
Err--I think you guys are reading too much into this. The license (to me, and IANAL), seems to indicate that the workstation cannot be used as a server unless you purchase server licenses. It strikes me that language very similar to this has been in the workstation products since NT4.
I do, OTOH, think that the legal ramifications sounds quite far-reaching since the language is so broad.
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Richard Forno Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 9:22 AM To: brucewms@pacbell.net; Nanog (E-mail) Subject: Re: [OT]Microsoft makes networked software 'illegal' on XPunless you pay them...
That's funny.
Yet another case of someone - either a company through licensing and litigation, or a government through legislation - trying to effect both software quality.
Forget the fact that such tools may be exploitable - if you're a computer criminal, the fact you're violating a software license clause probably isn't going to deter you from your actions, much like how 'drug crimes using a gun' probably doesn't deter many drug criminals, either.
Instead of addressing the technical problem - eg, poor software development and flaws in how the software works - we're once again seeing it legislated/litigated away (I'm thinking of Adobe E-Reader, DeCSS, etc here). Talk about burying your head in the sand, which appears to be the status quo, even in today's environment of security hysteria where we 'need to do more'.
From what I see here in DC, nobody's REALLY interested in addressing security long term, as it will rock the boat too much; so we continue seeing little goofy ways to look like security is being addressed when in reality, security ISN'T being addressed.
rf infowarrior.org windows-free since 1999 :)
From: Bruce Williams <brucewms@pacbell.net> From
http://www.infoworld.com/articles/op/xml/02/03/18/020318oplivi ngston.xml
Microsoft's XP license agreement says, "Except as otherwise permitted by the NetMeeting, Remote Assistance, and Remote Desktop features described below, you may not use the Product to permit any Device to use, access, display, or run other executable software residing on the Workstation Computer, nor may you permit any Device to use, access, display, or run the Product or Product's user interface, unless the Device has a separate license for the Product."
I guess this improves security....
bye, Bruce Williams "Asking the wrong questions is the leading cause of wrong answers"
-- Scott Call Router Geek, ATGi, home of $6.95 Prime Rib "Credo Quia Absurdum" (I believe it, because it is absurd.)
I was thinking ISP provided PPPOE DSL modem software, DSLAM 'devices' - come to think about it , really ANY non-Microsoft networking device/software combination you might use that "uses, accesses or executes on" the box... but who cares? - hasn't stopped or slowed one packet yet :-)
-----Original Message----- From: Scott Call [mailto:scall@devolution.com] Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 10:34 AM To: Benjamin P. Grubin Cc: 'Richard Forno'; brucewms@pacbell.net; 'Nanog (E-mail)' Subject: RE: [OT]Microsoft makes networked software 'illegal' on XPunless you pay them..
Programs made "illegal" by this license:
VNC PCAnywhere Apache (CGI) IIS (CGI) <-- Weird, ain't it? etc...
It could conceivably be applied to dedicated Quake servers and the like as well.
Easy way to solve problem, don't run Wndows VMSNT2kXP :)
Apologies for the non-op content, back to your regularly scheduled noc pinging.
-S
On Sun, 21 Apr 2002, Benjamin P. Grubin wrote:
Err--I think you guys are reading too much into this. The
me, and IANAL), seems to indicate that the workstation cannot be used as a server unless you purchase server licenses. It strikes me that language very similar to this has been in the workstation
NT4.
I do, OTOH, think that the legal ramifications sounds quite far-reaching since the language is so broad.
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Richard Forno Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 9:22 AM To: brucewms@pacbell.net; Nanog (E-mail) Subject: Re: [OT]Microsoft makes networked software 'illegal' on XPunless you pay them...
That's funny.
Yet another case of someone - either a company through
license (to products since licensing and
litigation, or a government through legislation - trying to effect both software quality.
Forget the fact that such tools may be exploitable - if you're a computer criminal, the fact you're violating a software license clause probably isn't going to deter you from your actions, much like how 'drug crimes using a gun' probably doesn't deter many drug criminals, either.
Instead of addressing the technical problem - eg, poor software development and flaws in how the software works - we're once again seeing it legislated/litigated away (I'm thinking of Adobe E-Reader, DeCSS, etc here). Talk about burying your head in the sand, which appears to be the status quo, even in today's environment of security hysteria where we 'need to do more'.
From what I see here in DC, nobody's REALLY interested in addressing security long term, as it will rock the boat too much; so we continue seeing little goofy ways to look like security is being addressed when in reality, security ISN'T being addressed.
rf infowarrior.org windows-free since 1999 :)
From: Bruce Williams <brucewms@pacbell.net> From
http://www.infoworld.com/articles/op/xml/02/03/18/020318oplivi ngston.xml
Microsoft's XP license agreement says, "Except as otherwise permitted by the NetMeeting, Remote Assistance, and Remote Desktop features described below, you may not use the Product to permit any Device to use, access, display, or run other executable software residing on the Workstation Computer, nor may you permit any Device to use, access, display, or run the Product or Product's user interface, unless the Device has a separate license for the Product."
I guess this improves security....
bye, Bruce Williams "Asking the wrong questions is the leading cause of wrong answers"
-- Scott Call Router Geek, ATGi, home of $6.95 Prime Rib "Credo Quia Absurdum" (I believe it, because it is absurd.)
On Sun, 21 Apr 2002 12:11:24 PDT, Bruce Williams said:
I was thinking ISP provided PPPOE DSL modem software, DSLAM 'devices' - come to think about it , really ANY non-Microsoft networking device/software combination you might use that "uses, accesses or executes on" the box... but who cares? - hasn't stopped or slowed one packet yet :-)
"yet" being the operative term here...
Microsoft's XP license agreement says, "Except as otherwise permitted by the NetMeeting, Remote Assistance, and Remote Desktop features described below, you may not use the Product to permit any Device to use, access, display, or run other executable software residing on the Workstation Computer, nor may you permit any Device to use, access, display, or run the Product or Product's user interface, unless the Device has a separate license for the Product." I guess this improves security.... On the plus side - it gives you a whole new level of terrifying tools to use against those who build a botnet on your network. Get MS licencing after them for all those XP licences :)
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