At 08:36 AM 4/9/98 +0100, philip bridge wrote:

Cengiz,

That is of course laudible. But the point has to be made that AS8584 is in Israel. In an environment when a small ISP in a small country can cause a lot of damage to the global Internet, a way has to be found to efficiently propogate this knowledge far and wide.

Long before everyone woke up and found this I was on the phone with them - discovering that they were doing some nasty redistributes and didn't quite understand. There are thousands of ISPs in the world - some even more clueless than Barak. If you are an upstream ISP and talk BGP to someone downstream and don't filter - then you are to blame. AS4000 (among others)- which is Barak's upstream should have known better. -Hank

Phil

At 02:10 PM 4/8/98 -0600, Cengiz Alaettinoglu wrote:

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philip bridge on Wed, 08 Apr 1998 20:08:03 +0100 said:

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It seems that the current state of the IRR and the supporting tools are in general simply too complex for a lot of people to get to grips with ... which includes me - we build ours manually :-(

To familarize with the IRR and the supporting tools, Sunday before next two nanogs, there will be a IRR/RPSL/RAToolSet tutorials. We will send an official announcement very soon about it.

Cengiz

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