Whoa. I really wish you had not attached my name in any way shape or form to your statement. While I agree that criminals are criminals and there is no place for them in society, I don't recall this thread having anything to do with sexual preferences or practices of foreign nationals on US soil. Please let me be one of the first to tell you that you have stepped WAY outside the bounds of rational and of the scope of NANOG. Sometimes it's not what you say but, how you say it. In this case, it's both. --- John Fraizer EnterZone, Inc On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, kysi ferul wrote:

Casey Farrell, Authority, "Dorset Dialecet, Wm. Barnes"

Attn: Fellow ICANN/IETF/NANOG Members,

My findings are this-

1. Most of the "immigrants" in this country are here to practice a lifestyle which is not tolerated at home. (This is generally Homosexuality; & other 'practices') If they are for instance combining Adult Male Homosexual parctices with asy VooDoo rituals and Child Endangerment, or Child Abuse, or Child Rape, or Child Abuduction or Child Kidnap, and Child Homocides, we don't REALLY need that kind here-and there is NO REAL "OFFICIAL" (unforged,tamper free evidenciary documents) papers which PROOF the CITIZENSHIP of these 'perps!'

2. But 'they' (NOT 'illegal Aliens'...ENEMY ALIENS!) then apply for "SANCTUARY" within the AMERICAN POLITICAL and CORPORATE 'SCENE' which by and large is a CONCLAVE of 'GAY' men! This is a DISGUSTING STATE of AFFAIRS! But nevertheless, these 'refugees' (criminals) get to hide under the 'wings' of the US GOVERNMENT! If anyone complains...they are "RACIST!" ('sexist?')See, you cannot have a NATION DIVIDED by STRAIGHTS & GAYS! (No one said ONE DAMN THING ABOUT AMERICAN LESBIANS... if they are JUST LESBIANS...why then do they PROMOTE GAY MALE LIFESTYLE? Why few "CIVIL RIGHTS" workers and

'teachers' etc...not helping the truly DOWN-TRODDEN?)

3. Hey! we 'love everyone equally'...isn't THAT enough? But NO COUNTRY, CITY, STATE, COMPANY, POPSICLE STAND CLUB SOCIETY FAMILY etc, can tolerate LIARS who are ALSO MISCHIEF MAKERS! Either you steal the silver and depart...or you just get in for the free meal and hang around...but you don't turn it into a "JOB FOR LIFE!"

4. AMERICA (and therefore the WORLD!) NEEDS and WANTS a FREE AND CLEAN INTERNET! No FOREIGN ESPIONAGE 'workers' no SPIES on US SOIL!

Thank you. Your commnets are welcome.

--- John Fraizer <nanog@EnterZone.Net> wrote:

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On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:

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On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, Dan Hollis wrote:

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The civilian authorities dont see it as a big

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going after the military to shut down their smurf amps and shut down their rooted boxes.

My suggesion was that this would change. The military is interconnected to others at certain points. If they would tear down

enough problem to bother these connections then

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perhaps they would wake up?

The problem here is that it becomes a matter of decreased national security. Some enterprising Corporal out there looking for an M.promotion might consider cleaning up the net under his/her watch however.

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And remember, McDonalds has *deep* pockets. How deep are yours?

Uncle Sam got to the tobacco industry. Nuf said.

Uncle Sam jumped in to reduce the case load on the courts. It was millions of individual citizens who got the tobacco industry.

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What about russian or chinese or (insert unfriendly country here) networks? Go ahead and sue them. Fine them into the stratosphere. Theyre *not* going to pay up, and they certainly arent going to change their complacent or negligent behaviour.

Trade sanctions. Filtering. Same thing, different name.

Oh ya... Trade sanctions have done wonders for us. It sure made Saddam back down and cry like a baby.

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My major point is that we have to do something about the tool they use, not going after why they use it. Taking away reasons to flood wont work, we have to take away (or limit) their ability to do so.

Make it a crime to run an IRC server. Take away the targets, you will have very few shots fired.

--- John Fraizer EnterZone, Inc

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