Greetings I may be needing 10 gig from the West Coast to the East Coast some time in the next year. I've got my ideas on what that would cost, but I don't have anything that big. This could be a leased line, part of a cloud with Verizon, NTT, Sprint, or whoever as the provider, etc. I'm just looking to see what a budget cost for something like this is, and who can provide such service. Your help is greatly appreciated, feel free to respond directly or to the thread. E
On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:51:28 -0700, eric clark said:
I may be needing 10 gig from the West Coast to the East Coast
Might want to be more specific. Catalina Island, CA to Buxton, NC (home of Cape Hatteras High School) will probably be way different than downtown LA to downtown Boston.
Fair enough Seattle to Boston is the general route, real close. On Monday, June 17, 2013, wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:51:28 -0700, eric clark said:
I may be needing 10 gig from the West Coast to the East Coast
Might want to be more specific. Catalina Island, CA to Buxton, NC (home of Cape Hatteras High School) will probably be way different than downtown LA to downtown Boston.
It's typically that the last mile portion of the circuit is going to cost you the most, so it's important to know those details. Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / carlos@race.com / http://www.race.com -----Original Message----- From: eric clark <cabenth@gmail.com> Date: Monday, June 17, 2013 3:22 PM To: "Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu" <Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu> Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: 10gig coast to coast Fair enough Seattle to Boston is the general route, real close. On Monday, June 17, 2013, wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:51:28 -0700, eric clark said:
I may be needing 10 gig from the West Coast to the East Coast
Might want to be more specific. Catalina Island, CA to Buxton, NC (home of Cape Hatteras High School) will probably be way different than downtown LA to downtown Boston.
Also, what are reliability and redundancy requirements. 10 gigs of bare naked fiber is one thing, but if you need extra paths redundancy, figure that out now and specify. Is this latency, bandwidth, both? Mission critical, business critical, less priority? 24x7x365, or subset of that, or intermittent only? On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 6:48 PM, Carlos Alcantar <carlos@race.com> wrote:
It's typically that the last mile portion of the circuit is going to cost you the most, so it's important to know those details.
Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / carlos@race.com / http://www.race.com
-----Original Message----- From: eric clark <cabenth@gmail.com> Date: Monday, June 17, 2013 3:22 PM To: "Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu" <Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu> Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: 10gig coast to coast
Fair enough
Seattle to Boston is the general route, real close.
On Monday, June 17, 2013, wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:51:28 -0700, eric clark said:
I may be needing 10 gig from the West Coast to the East Coast
Might want to be more specific. Catalina Island, CA to Buxton, NC (home of Cape Hatteras High School) will probably be way different than downtown LA to downtown Boston.
-- -george william herbert george.herbert@gmail.com
On 6/17/2013 10:32 PM, George Herbert wrote:
Also, what are reliability and redundancy requirements.
10 gigs of bare naked fiber is one thing, but if you need extra paths redundancy, figure that out now and specify.
Is this latency, bandwidth, both? Mission critical, business critical, less priority? 24x7x365, or subset of that, or intermittent only?
And are you looking for "dark fiber" or can you deal with a lambda? Can you supply tuned optics for the passive mux carriers? Dark coast-to-coast is going to cost you a few appendages. You may land a lambda for a reasonable price depending on the endpoints, you'll need an established carrier with DWDM gear on both ends. Jeff
I'm looking for options. With dark fiber, obviously, I have the ultimate in options. However, its the ultimate in cost as you say. The requirement we have is 10gig of actual throughput. Precisely what mechanism is used to transport it isn't all that important, though I'm certain that there will be complaints... :) I'd LOVE to have me some DWDM, always wanted to run some of that gear, but at that point, why stop at 10G On Jun 17, 2013, at 7:42 PM, Jeff Kell <jeff-kell@utc.edu> wrote:
On 6/17/2013 10:32 PM, George Herbert wrote:
Also, what are reliability and redundancy requirements.
10 gigs of bare naked fiber is one thing, but if you need extra paths redundancy, figure that out now and specify.
Is this latency, bandwidth, both? Mission critical, business critical, less priority? 24x7x365, or subset of that, or intermittent only?
And are you looking for "dark fiber" or can you deal with a lambda? Can you supply tuned optics for the passive mux carriers?
Dark coast-to-coast is going to cost you a few appendages. You may land a lambda for a reasonable price depending on the endpoints, you'll need an established carrier with DWDM gear on both ends.
Jeff
I've had pretty good luck with CenturyLinks 10G wave offerings: http://shop.centurylink.com/largebusiness/enterprisesolutions/products/ether... Ethernet hand-off at both sites with IPsec or GRE provided a pretty solid environment. You should be able to take advantage of some UDP blasters at what the latency profile will look like for you. Otherwise you could always thread the crap out of whatever it is your transactioning across the link to make up for TCP's jackknifes along with other tuning. On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 9:51 PM, Eric Clark <cabenth@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm looking for options.
With dark fiber, obviously, I have the ultimate in options.
However, its the ultimate in cost as you say.
The requirement we have is 10gig of actual throughput. Precisely what mechanism is used to transport it isn't all that important, though I'm certain that there will be complaints... :)
I'd LOVE to have me some DWDM, always wanted to run some of that gear, but at that point, why stop at 10G
On Jun 17, 2013, at 7:42 PM, Jeff Kell <jeff-kell@utc.edu> wrote:
On 6/17/2013 10:32 PM, George Herbert wrote:
Also, what are reliability and redundancy requirements.
10 gigs of bare naked fiber is one thing, but if you need extra paths redundancy, figure that out now and specify.
Is this latency, bandwidth, both? Mission critical, business critical, less priority? 24x7x365, or subset of that, or intermittent only?
And are you looking for "dark fiber" or can you deal with a lambda? Can you supply tuned optics for the passive mux carriers?
Dark coast-to-coast is going to cost you a few appendages. You may land a lambda for a reasonable price depending on the endpoints, you'll need an established carrier with DWDM gear on both ends.
Jeff
-- Phil Fagan Denver, CO 970-480-7618
all of these questions are valid. The guys who will use it would love to have line rate on the 10G, for a single conversation, but that's not going to happen. So, there's a certain amount of expectation management. For the purpose we're proposing, this would be an additional link to an existing office, a link for test/lab traffic specifically. We would run the lab management on the existing link (s) and provide some sort of restricted failover as well. Sorry I'm not going into more detail, just trying to balance the need for some info versus ... you know. This link wouldn't need to be 5 Nines, but with the office primary and backup, we can provide the connectivity almost 100% of the time. Thanks for all the comments everyone, they have been helpful. Eric On Jun 17, 2013, at 7:32 PM, George Herbert <george.herbert@gmail.com> wrote:
Also, what are reliability and redundancy requirements.
10 gigs of bare naked fiber is one thing, but if you need extra paths redundancy, figure that out now and specify.
Is this latency, bandwidth, both? Mission critical, business critical, less priority? 24x7x365, or subset of that, or intermittent only?
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 6:48 PM, Carlos Alcantar <carlos@race.com> wrote:
It's typically that the last mile portion of the circuit is going to cost you the most, so it's important to know those details.
Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / carlos@race.com / http://www.race.com
-----Original Message----- From: eric clark <cabenth@gmail.com> Date: Monday, June 17, 2013 3:22 PM To: "Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu" <Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu> Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: 10gig coast to coast
Fair enough
Seattle to Boston is the general route, real close.
On Monday, June 17, 2013, wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:51:28 -0700, eric clark said:
I may be needing 10 gig from the West Coast to the East Coast
Might want to be more specific. Catalina Island, CA to Buxton, NC (home of Cape Hatteras High School) will probably be way different than downtown LA to downtown Boston.
-- -george william herbert george.herbert@gmail.com
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