Hi I'm receiving thousands of requests from a Google Clou VM on my network, I've already sent reports to Abuse from GCP, but without success, does anyone happen to have a Google abuse contact to indicate?
Google is pretty unresponsive when it comes to this stuff. I wasted a lot of time trying to report attacks against our networks that turned out to be a futile exercise. It’s an issue that’s all too common to the large providers. Microsoft, Digital Ocean, Amazon, etc, all of them make you jump through hoops to report issues that are rarely handled. When it’s the other way and they are reporting issues with a user on your network they can get pretty demanding that you address it right away. We just have to block and move on if you want anything done in a timely manner. -richey From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+richey.goldberg=gmail.com@nanog.org> on behalf of Cristian Cardoso <cristian.cardoso11@gmail.com> Date: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 10:29 AM To: nanog@nanog.org <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Google Abuse Hi I'm receiving thousands of requests from a Google Clou VM on my network, I've already sent reports to Abuse from GCP, but without success, does anyone happen to have a Google abuse contact to indicate?
On Tue, 16 Aug 2022, Cristian Cardoso wrote:
Hi
I'm receiving thousands of requests from a Google Clou VM on my network, I've already sent reports to Abuse from GCP, but without success, does anyone happen to have a Google abuse contact to indicate?
There is no Google abuse. It's just traffic you don't want that they don't care about. Block it at your edge and move on. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Lewis, MCP :) | I route StackPath, Sr. Neteng | therefore you are _________ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_________
well, that isn’t exactly true. ALL of the fraudsters, business email compromisers, spoofing accounts are now from gmail and as far as i can tell, there is no evidence that they do ANYTHING about them. i recently gave a talk on fraudulent restaurant reviews in google maps. easy for humans to spot. (hundreds of machine learning engineers at google. what are they doing?) but here’s a counterexample… not that it serves anyone particularly well: a colleague of mine (ex googler, superb engineer, with a brother who is a current googler) had ALL of his google accounts deactivated recently. a google fi customer, he used it to send an mms photo of a rash on his toddler’s crotch to his wife, so she could upload it (using https) to their pediatrician’s portal for diagnosis. a few days later the cops were at the door with a search warrant. the cops agreed it was a false positive, but despite that, the accounts were deactivated (including gmail), seemingly permanently, despite multiple attempts to revive it and attempts at escalation. i was actually surprised. i thought that google fi was a neutral pipe. who knew that google mines mms images for pink parts? do the other cell phone companies do the same? (not that i particularly need to test it…) (is there any transparency here regarding the scanning and retention policy for sms and mms contents?) which raises, in the post-boggs world, another question: are google, like fb, recording and retaining direct messages and sms/mms contents, so they can turn them over to law enforcement who have become “interested" in who was pregnant and who stopped being pregnant? https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7zevd/this-is-the-data-facebook-gave-police... (once again, there ain’t no sanity clause.)
On Aug 16, 2022, at 10:43 AM, Jon Lewis <jlewis@lewis.org> wrote:
On Tue, 16 Aug 2022, Cristian Cardoso wrote:
Hi I'm receiving thousands of requests from a Google Clou VM on my network, I've already sent reports to Abuse from GCP, but without success, does anyone happen to have a Google abuse contact to indicate?
There is no Google abuse. It's just traffic you don't want that they don't care about. Block it at your edge and move on.
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Lewis, MCP :) | I route StackPath, Sr. Neteng | therefore you are _________ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_________
“thought that google fi was a neutral pipe.” There is nothing neutral about Google or any of companies that are their competitors. They all have some sort of agenda which is to do what’s best for them or what they *think* is best for everyone else. Even if it’s not. “are google, like fb, recording and retaining direct messages and sms/mms contents” They may tell you they are not but there is no doubt in my mind they are and if they got caught their response would be “Oopsie, my bad”. -richey From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+richey.goldberg=gmail.com@nanog.org> on behalf of Mark Seiden <mis@seiden.com> Date: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 3:48 PM To: Jon Lewis <jlewis@lewis.org> Cc: nanog@nanog.org <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Google Abuse well, that isn’t exactly true. ALL of the fraudsters, business email compromisers, spoofing accounts are now from gmail and as far as i can tell, there is no evidence that they do ANYTHING about them. i recently gave a talk on fraudulent restaurant reviews in google maps. easy for humans to spot. (hundreds of machine learning engineers at google. what are they doing?) but here’s a counterexample… not that it serves anyone particularly well: a colleague of mine (ex googler, superb engineer, with a brother who is a current googler) had ALL of his google accounts deactivated recently. a google fi customer, he used it to send an mms photo of a rash on his toddler’s crotch to his wife, so she could upload it (using https) to their pediatrician’s portal for diagnosis. a few days later the cops were at the door with a search warrant. the cops agreed it was a false positive, but despite that, the accounts were deactivated (including gmail), seemingly permanently, despite multiple attempts to revive it and attempts at escalation. i was actually surprised. i thought that google fi was a neutral pipe. who knew that google mines mms images for pink parts? do the other cell phone companies do the same? (not that i particularly need to test it…) (is there any transparency here regarding the scanning and retention policy for sms and mms contents?) which raises, in the post-boggs world, another question: are google, like fb, recording and retaining direct messages and sms/mms contents, so they can turn them over to law enforcement who have become “interested" in who was pregnant and who stopped being pregnant? https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7zevd/this-is-the-data-facebook-gave-police... (once again, there ain’t no sanity clause.)
On Aug 16, 2022, at 10:43 AM, Jon Lewis <jlewis@lewis.org> wrote:
On Tue, 16 Aug 2022, Cristian Cardoso wrote:
Hi I'm receiving thousands of requests from a Google Clou VM on my network, I've already sent reports to Abuse from GCP, but without success, does anyone happen to have a Google abuse contact to indicate?
There is no Google abuse. It's just traffic you don't want that they don't care about. Block it at your edge and move on.
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Lewis, MCP :) | I route StackPath, Sr. Neteng | therefore you are _________ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_________
To make this more NANOGy, what is OUR role in all of this? Two questions that relate here: How does NANOG make inbound network abuse easier to stop and harder or costlier for networks and clouds to ignore? How do NANOG operators attempt to keep private things private? For the latter, IMHO most NANOG members likely also run, manage, or interact with businesses that hold data. Three of the NANOG Principles apply here: Security within our digital platforms Sustainability of Internet technology professions Innovation within the community We all should be doing whatever we can within our own organizations to improve end user privacy and security. I'm going to make another go at it within my own. And anything we can do to make it harder for networks and cloud providers to ignore abuse reports and stop it is an Innovation that might move the burden of network attacks off of the recipients and onto the sources. Beckman On Tue, 16 Aug 2022, richey goldberg wrote:
“thought that google fi was a neutral pipe.”
There is nothing neutral about Google or any of companies that are their competitors. They all have some sort of agenda which is to do what’s best for them or what they *think* is best for everyone else. Even if it’s not.
“are google, like fb, recording and retaining direct messages and sms/mms contents”
They may tell you they are not but there is no doubt in my mind they are and if they got caught their response would be “Oopsie, my bad”.
-richey
From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+richey.goldberg=gmail.com@nanog.org> on behalf of Mark Seiden <mis@seiden.com> Date: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 3:48 PM To: Jon Lewis <jlewis@lewis.org> Cc: nanog@nanog.org <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Google Abuse well, that isn’t exactly true.
ALL of the fraudsters, business email compromisers, spoofing accounts are now from gmail and as far as i can tell, there is no evidence that they do ANYTHING about them. i recently gave a talk on fraudulent restaurant reviews in google maps. easy for humans to spot. (hundreds of machine learning engineers at google. what are they doing?)
but here’s a counterexample… not that it serves anyone particularly well:
a colleague of mine (ex googler, superb engineer, with a brother who is a current googler) had ALL of his google accounts deactivated recently. a google fi customer, he used it to send an mms photo of a rash on his toddler’s crotch to his wife, so she could upload it (using https) to their pediatrician’s portal for diagnosis.
a few days later the cops were at the door with a search warrant. the cops agreed it was a false positive, but despite that, the accounts were deactivated (including gmail), seemingly permanently, despite multiple attempts to revive it and attempts at escalation.
i was actually surprised. i thought that google fi was a neutral pipe.
who knew that google mines mms images for pink parts?
do the other cell phone companies do the same? (not that i particularly need to test it…)
(is there any transparency here regarding the scanning and retention policy for sms and mms contents?)
which raises, in the post-boggs world, another question:
are google, like fb, recording and retaining direct messages and sms/mms contents, so they can turn them over to law enforcement who have become “interested" in who was pregnant and who stopped being pregnant?
https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7zevd/this-is-the-data-facebook-gave-police...
(once again, there ain’t no sanity clause.)
On Aug 16, 2022, at 10:43 AM, Jon Lewis <jlewis@lewis.org> wrote:
On Tue, 16 Aug 2022, Cristian Cardoso wrote:
Hi I'm receiving thousands of requests from a Google Clou VM on my network, I've already sent reports to Abuse from GCP, but without success, does anyone happen to have a Google abuse contact to indicate?
There is no Google abuse. It's just traffic you don't want that they don't care about. Block it at your edge and move on.
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Lewis, MCP :) | I route StackPath, Sr. Neteng | therefore you are _________ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_________
--------------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter Beckman Internet Guy beckman@angryox.com https://www.angryox.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Well put, bro. -mel via cell
On Aug 16, 2022, at 9:08 PM, Peter Beckman <beckman@angryox.com> wrote:
To make this more NANOGy, what is OUR role in all of this?
Two questions that relate here:
How does NANOG make inbound network abuse easier to stop and harder or costlier for networks and clouds to ignore?
How do NANOG operators attempt to keep private things private?
For the latter, IMHO most NANOG members likely also run, manage, or interact with businesses that hold data.
Three of the NANOG Principles apply here:
Security within our digital platforms Sustainability of Internet technology professions Innovation within the community
We all should be doing whatever we can within our own organizations to improve end user privacy and security. I'm going to make another go at it within my own.
And anything we can do to make it harder for networks and cloud providers to ignore abuse reports and stop it is an Innovation that might move the burden of network attacks off of the recipients and onto the sources.
Beckman
On Tue, 16 Aug 2022, richey goldberg wrote:
“thought that google fi was a neutral pipe.”
There is nothing neutral about Google or any of companies that are their competitors. They all have some sort of agenda which is to do what’s best for them or what they *think* is best for everyone else. Even if it’s not.
“are google, like fb, recording and retaining direct messages and sms/mms contents”
They may tell you they are not but there is no doubt in my mind they are and if they got caught their response would be “Oopsie, my bad”.
-richey
From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+richey.goldberg=gmail.com@nanog.org> on behalf of Mark Seiden <mis@seiden.com> Date: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 3:48 PM To: Jon Lewis <jlewis@lewis.org> Cc: nanog@nanog.org <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Google Abuse well, that isn’t exactly true.
ALL of the fraudsters, business email compromisers, spoofing accounts are now from gmail and as far as i can tell, there is no evidence that they do ANYTHING about them. i recently gave a talk on fraudulent restaurant reviews in google maps. easy for humans to spot. (hundreds of machine learning engineers at google. what are they doing?)
but here’s a counterexample… not that it serves anyone particularly well:
a colleague of mine (ex googler, superb engineer, with a brother who is a current googler) had ALL of his google accounts deactivated recently. a google fi customer, he used it to send an mms photo of a rash on his toddler’s crotch to his wife, so she could upload it (using https) to their pediatrician’s portal for diagnosis.
a few days later the cops were at the door with a search warrant. the cops agreed it was a false positive, but despite that, the accounts were deactivated (including gmail), seemingly permanently, despite multiple attempts to revive it and attempts at escalation.
i was actually surprised. i thought that google fi was a neutral pipe.
who knew that google mines mms images for pink parts?
do the other cell phone companies do the same? (not that i particularly need to test it…)
(is there any transparency here regarding the scanning and retention policy for sms and mms contents?)
which raises, in the post-boggs world, another question:
are google, like fb, recording and retaining direct messages and sms/mms contents, so they can turn them over to law enforcement who have become “interested" in who was pregnant and who stopped being pregnant?
https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7zevd/this-is-the-data-facebook-gave-police...
(once again, there ain’t no sanity clause.)
On Aug 16, 2022, at 10:43 AM, Jon Lewis <jlewis@lewis.org> wrote:
On Tue, 16 Aug 2022, Cristian Cardoso wrote:
Hi I'm receiving thousands of requests from a Google Clou VM on my network, I've already sent reports to Abuse from GCP, but without success, does anyone happen to have a Google abuse contact to indicate?
There is no Google abuse. It's just traffic you don't want that they don't care about. Block it at your edge and move on.
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Lewis, MCP :) | I route StackPath, Sr. Neteng | therefore you are _________ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_________
--------------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter Beckman Internet Guy beckman@angryox.com https://www.angryox.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
They may tell you they are not but there is no doubt in my mind they are and if they got caught their response would be “Oopsie, my bad”. -richey
During Covid hysteria cellular carriers were definitly scrubbing text messages that contained things against whatever the agenda was. There was no errors from the cellular carriers that the message didn't go through, it just never arrived to the destination. Tested it first hand, T-Mobile to Verizon, T-Mobile to AT&T and vice versa. Payload was links to a few websites that weren't popular with the left, like that Doctor Robert Malone guy. These were not using URL shorteners that are sometimes considered spam. - Ethan
It's a pretty serious claim to say that cell providers were selectively not delivering messages based on content. Unless you have some more concrete evidence beyond "I sent a few texts" , this list is no place for such things, nor the insinuation of political agendas. On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 10:54 AM Ethan O'Toole <telmnstr@757.org> wrote:
They may tell you they are not but there is no doubt in my mind they are and if they got caught their response would be “Oopsie, my bad”. -richey
During Covid hysteria cellular carriers were definitly scrubbing text messages that contained things against whatever the agenda was.
There was no errors from the cellular carriers that the message didn't go through, it just never arrived to the destination. Tested it first hand, T-Mobile to Verizon, T-Mobile to AT&T and vice versa. Payload was links to a few websites that weren't popular with the left, like that Doctor Robert Malone guy. These were not using URL shorteners that are sometimes considered spam.
- Ethan
I wouldn't call it a serious claim. By their own admission T-Mobile filters messages based on content. https://community.t-mobile.com/accounts-services-4/can-t-send-receive-texts-... Now, there is no indication I'm aware of, that it is political in nature. But they do, factually, throw away messages based on their content. -- Hunter Fuller (they) Router Jockey VBH M-1C +1 256 824 5331 Office of Information Technology The University of Alabama in Huntsville Network Engineering On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 10:46 AM Tom Beecher <beecher@beecher.cc> wrote:
It's a pretty serious claim to say that cell providers were selectively not delivering messages based on content.
Unless you have some more concrete evidence beyond "I sent a few texts" , this list is no place for such things, nor the insinuation of political agendas.
On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 10:54 AM Ethan O'Toole <telmnstr@757.org> wrote:
They may tell you they are not but there is no doubt in my mind they are and if they got caught their response would be “Oopsie, my bad”. -richey
During Covid hysteria cellular carriers were definitly scrubbing text messages that contained things against whatever the agenda was.
There was no errors from the cellular carriers that the message didn't go through, it just never arrived to the destination. Tested it first hand, T-Mobile to Verizon, T-Mobile to AT&T and vice versa. Payload was links to a few websites that weren't popular with the left, like that Doctor Robert Malone guy. These were not using URL shorteners that are sometimes considered spam.
- Ethan
Spam filtering is clearly not the accusation that was laid out. On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 11:48 AM Hunter Fuller <hf0002+nanog@uah.edu> wrote:
I wouldn't call it a serious claim. By their own admission T-Mobile filters messages based on content.
https://community.t-mobile.com/accounts-services-4/can-t-send-receive-texts-...
Now, there is no indication I'm aware of, that it is political in nature. But they do, factually, throw away messages based on their content.
-- Hunter Fuller (they) Router Jockey VBH M-1C +1 256 824 5331
Office of Information Technology The University of Alabama in Huntsville Network Engineering
On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 10:46 AM Tom Beecher <beecher@beecher.cc> wrote:
It's a pretty serious claim to say that cell providers were selectively
not delivering messages based on content.
Unless you have some more concrete evidence beyond "I sent a few texts"
, this list is no place for such things, nor the insinuation of political agendas.
On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 10:54 AM Ethan O'Toole <telmnstr@757.org> wrote:
They may tell you they are not but there is no doubt in my mind they
are and
if they got caught their response would be “Oopsie, my bad”. -richey
During Covid hysteria cellular carriers were definitly scrubbing text messages that contained things against whatever the agenda was.
There was no errors from the cellular carriers that the message didn't go through, it just never arrived to the destination. Tested it first hand, T-Mobile to Verizon, T-Mobile to AT&T and vice versa. Payload was links to a few websites that weren't popular with the left, like that Doctor Robert Malone guy. These were not using URL shorteners that are sometimes considered spam.
- Ethan
Sure, that's why I said that in my third paragraph. But once we know that they do, in fact, filter messages, we can understand why it might *seem* like they filter based on political content. For example, if a left-leaning news outlet uses bit.ly URLs, and a right-leaning one uses goo.gl URLs, and T-Mo filters all goo.gl URLs, some might conclude that "T-Mobile filters links to right-leaning news outlets." -- Hunter Fuller (they) Router Jockey VBH M-1C +1 256 824 5331 Office of Information Technology The University of Alabama in Huntsville Network Engineering On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 11:06 AM Tom Beecher <beecher@beecher.cc> wrote:
Spam filtering is clearly not the accusation that was laid out.
On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 11:48 AM Hunter Fuller <hf0002+nanog@uah.edu> wrote:
I wouldn't call it a serious claim. By their own admission T-Mobile filters messages based on content.
https://community.t-mobile.com/accounts-services-4/can-t-send-receive-texts-...
Now, there is no indication I'm aware of, that it is political in nature. But they do, factually, throw away messages based on their content.
-- Hunter Fuller (they) Router Jockey VBH M-1C +1 256 824 5331
Office of Information Technology The University of Alabama in Huntsville Network Engineering
On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 10:46 AM Tom Beecher <beecher@beecher.cc> wrote:
It's a pretty serious claim to say that cell providers were selectively not delivering messages based on content.
Unless you have some more concrete evidence beyond "I sent a few texts" , this list is no place for such things, nor the insinuation of political agendas.
On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 10:54 AM Ethan O'Toole <telmnstr@757.org> wrote:
They may tell you they are not but there is no doubt in my mind they are and if they got caught their response would be “Oopsie, my bad”. -richey
During Covid hysteria cellular carriers were definitly scrubbing text messages that contained things against whatever the agenda was.
There was no errors from the cellular carriers that the message didn't go through, it just never arrived to the destination. Tested it first hand, T-Mobile to Verizon, T-Mobile to AT&T and vice versa. Payload was links to a few websites that weren't popular with the left, like that Doctor Robert Malone guy. These were not using URL shorteners that are sometimes considered spam.
- Ethan
some might conclude that "T-Mobile filters links to right-leaning news outlets.
That conclusion, based on the methodology described, would be wrong, and that should be called out. On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 12:09 PM Hunter Fuller <hf0002+nanog@uah.edu> wrote:
Sure, that's why I said that in my third paragraph.
But once we know that they do, in fact, filter messages, we can understand why it might *seem* like they filter based on political content. For example, if a left-leaning news outlet uses bit.ly URLs, and a right-leaning one uses goo.gl URLs, and T-Mo filters all goo.gl URLs, some might conclude that "T-Mobile filters links to right-leaning news outlets."
-- Hunter Fuller (they) Router Jockey VBH M-1C +1 256 824 5331
Office of Information Technology The University of Alabama in Huntsville Network Engineering
On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 11:06 AM Tom Beecher <beecher@beecher.cc> wrote:
Spam filtering is clearly not the accusation that was laid out.
On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 11:48 AM Hunter Fuller <hf0002+nanog@uah.edu>
I wouldn't call it a serious claim. By their own admission T-Mobile filters messages based on content.
https://community.t-mobile.com/accounts-services-4/can-t-send-receive-texts-...
Now, there is no indication I'm aware of, that it is political in nature. But they do, factually, throw away messages based on their content.
-- Hunter Fuller (they) Router Jockey VBH M-1C +1 256 824 5331
Office of Information Technology The University of Alabama in Huntsville Network Engineering
On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 10:46 AM Tom Beecher <beecher@beecher.cc>
wrote:
It's a pretty serious claim to say that cell providers were
selectively not delivering messages based on content.
Unless you have some more concrete evidence beyond "I sent a few
texts" , this list is no place for such things, nor the insinuation of
On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 10:54 AM Ethan O'Toole <telmnstr@757.org>
wrote:
They may tell you they are not but there is no doubt in my mind
if they got caught their response would be “Oopsie, my bad”. -richey
During Covid hysteria cellular carriers were definitly scrubbing text messages that contained things against whatever the agenda was.
There was no errors from the cellular carriers that the message didn't go through, it just never arrived to the destination. Tested it first hand, T-Mobile to Verizon, T-Mobile to AT&T and vice versa. Payload was
wrote: political agendas. they are and links to
a few websites that weren't popular with the left, like that Doctor Robert Malone guy. These were not using URL shorteners that are sometimes considered spam.
- Ethan
Someone in this discussion has a good mindset for security. Everyone in it has responsibilities towards protecting users from harm. Thank you. Jason Jason Kinney Ethical Technologist Surrey, BC, Canada jkinney23@yahoo.ca On Wednesday, August 17, 2022, 09:22:33 a.m. PDT, Tom Beecher <beecher@beecher.cc> wrote: some might conclude that "T-Mobile filters links to right-leaning news outlets. That conclusion, based on the methodology described, would be wrong, and that should be called out. On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 12:09 PM Hunter Fuller <hf0002+nanog@uah.edu> wrote: Sure, that's why I said that in my third paragraph. But once we know that they do, in fact, filter messages, we can understand why it might *seem* like they filter based on political content. For example, if a left-leaning news outlet uses bit.ly URLs, and a right-leaning one uses goo.gl URLs, and T-Mo filters all goo.gl URLs, some might conclude that "T-Mobile filters links to right-leaning news outlets." -- Hunter Fuller (they) Router Jockey VBH M-1C +1 256 824 5331 Office of Information Technology The University of Alabama in Huntsville Network Engineering On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 11:06 AM Tom Beecher <beecher@beecher.cc> wrote:
Spam filtering is clearly not the accusation that was laid out.
On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 11:48 AM Hunter Fuller <hf0002+nanog@uah.edu> wrote:
I wouldn't call it a serious claim. By their own admission T-Mobile filters messages based on content.
https://community.t-mobile.com/accounts-services-4/can-t-send-receive-texts-...
Now, there is no indication I'm aware of, that it is political in nature. But they do, factually, throw away messages based on their content.
-- Hunter Fuller (they) Router Jockey VBH M-1C +1 256 824 5331
Office of Information Technology The University of Alabama in Huntsville Network Engineering
On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 10:46 AM Tom Beecher <beecher@beecher.cc> wrote:
It's a pretty serious claim to say that cell providers were selectively not delivering messages based on content.
Unless you have some more concrete evidence beyond "I sent a few texts" , this list is no place for such things, nor the insinuation of political agendas.
On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 10:54 AM Ethan O'Toole <telmnstr@757.org> wrote:
They may tell you they are not but there is no doubt in my mind they are and if they got caught their response would be “Oopsie, my bad”. -richey
During Covid hysteria cellular carriers were definitly scrubbing text messages that contained things against whatever the agenda was.
There was no errors from the cellular carriers that the message didn't go through, it just never arrived to the destination. Tested it first hand, T-Mobile to Verizon, T-Mobile to AT&T and vice versa. Payload was links to a few websites that weren't popular with the left, like that Doctor Robert Malone guy. These were not using URL shorteners that are sometimes considered spam.
- Ethan
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