I work for a regional Midwestern US "Tier 2" ISP that provides both wholesale and enterprise Internet connectivity. We have caching platforms in place from the likes of Akamai, Google, Netflix, and Facebook; I was wondering if there are other CDN caching platforms out there we should be researching/deploying? PM me if more appropriate... TIA Russ Russell Berg Chief Technology Officer WIN / Airstream Communications (AS 11796) P: 715-832-3726 | C: 715-579-8227 www.wins.net<http://www.wins.net/>
Wondering the same, but for IXes. There's an open caching server effort, but open seems to be relative. They still want you to spend a boatload of money for a box from one of their vendors. I forget its name at the moment. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Berg" <berg@wins.net> To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 9:26:24 PM Subject: CDN-provided caching platforms? I work for a regional Midwestern US "Tier 2" ISP that provides both wholesale and enterprise Internet connectivity. We have caching platforms in place from the likes of Akamai, Google, Netflix, and Facebook; I was wondering if there are other CDN caching platforms out there we should be researching/deploying? PM me if more appropriate... TIA Russ Russell Berg Chief Technology Officer WIN / Airstream Communications (AS 11796) P: 715-832-3726 | C: 715-579-8227 www.wins.net<http://www.wins.net/>
Concurrent is one of them, we use Qwilt but that will get expensive really quick with their licensing. https://www.concurrent.com/laguna-cache/ Luke ns -----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 8:41 AM Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: CDN-provided caching platforms? Wondering the same, but for IXes. There's an open caching server effort, but open seems to be relative. They still want you to spend a boatload of money for a box from one of their vendors. I forget its name at the moment. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Berg" <berg@wins.net> To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 9:26:24 PM Subject: CDN-provided caching platforms? I work for a regional Midwestern US "Tier 2" ISP that provides both wholesale and enterprise Internet connectivity. We have caching platforms in place from the likes of Akamai, Google, Netflix, and Facebook; I was wondering if there are other CDN caching platforms out there we should be researching/deploying? PM me if more appropriate... TIA Russ Russell Berg Chief Technology Officer WIN / Airstream Communications (AS 11796) P: 715-832-3726 | C: 715-579-8227 www.wins.net<http://www.wins.net/>
Valve/Steam. On 03/27/18 02:26 +0000, Russell Berg wrote:
I work for a regional Midwestern US "Tier 2" ISP that provides both wholesale and enterprise Internet connectivity. We have caching platforms in place from the likes of Akamai, Google, Netflix, and Facebook; I was wondering if there are other CDN caching platforms out there we should be researching/deploying? PM me if more appropriate...
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I'm wondering if/when Amazon Prime Video will have a CDN system to roll-out to ISP's like OCA, FNA, GGC, etc Anyone here anything about Amazon Video or any other big names like that ? - Aaron -----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of valdis.kletnieks@vt.edu Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 10:23 AM To: Russell Berg Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: CDN-provided caching platforms? On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 02:26:24 -0000, Russell Berg said:
I was wondering if there are other CDN caching platforms out there we should be researching/deploying?
Does traffic analysis show any other destinations that have enough traffic that caching might help?
Hi Aaron I see the Amazon Prime video streams coming from Amazon Web Services Cloudfront CDN. Unsure of other places. Hard to do a global check on available platforms like say RIPE Atlas. And AWS Cloudfront does has the option of edge locations not connected to their backbone. On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 7:38 AM, Aaron Gould <aaron1@gvtc.com> wrote:
I'm wondering if/when Amazon Prime Video will have a CDN system to roll-out to ISP's like OCA, FNA, GGC, etc
Anyone here anything about Amazon Video or any other big names like that ?
- Aaron
-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of valdis.kletnieks@vt.edu Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 10:23 AM To: Russell Berg Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: CDN-provided caching platforms?
On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 02:26:24 -0000, Russell Berg said:
I was wondering if there are other CDN caching platforms out there we should be researching/deploying?
Does traffic analysis show any other destinations that have enough traffic that caching might help?
-- Anurag Bhatia anuragbhatia.com
I received this in my email today.......seemed timely regarding this thread..........please forgive if not appropriate use of list......does this add anything to the conversation? stll learning here....i like the picture.........thank you... doug kenline reston, virginia Dear Doug, We are hearing from our global service provider customers about their frustrations with understanding their CDN traffic. Since CDN traffic can originate from multiple locations, including caches outside of the CDN’s own network, it’s difficult to see which traffic is associated with each CDN, where that traffic enters your network, and how it changes over time. Kentik excels at tagging and labeling network flow data with additional context, including labels to identify traffic that’s associated with CDNs. By filtering or grouping traffic per CDN our customers can make more informed traffic engineering decisions, find and fix CDN traffic origin misconfigurations, and negotiate with CDN operators using data-driven insights.. Kentik’s view of current traffic inbound to Sprint’s network, broken out by geography, prefix and top talker IP address. Daniel Garcia Kentik.com | 408.781.6664 m 625 Second Street, Suite 100, San Francisco, CA 94107 LinkedIn<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fin%2Fdaniel-garcia-4958531a%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cdoug.kenline%40sprint.com%7Cb045dffbe28b4a5b973d08d59b176e49%7C4f8bc0acbd784bf5b55f1b31301d9adf%7C0%7C0%7C636585447296545052&sdata=qZ%2BdWms97kRnHtIOcyANqfqFJ75Zi22tKVQwI57J7T0%3D&reserved=0> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fkentik.outrch.com%2Fapi%2Fmailings%2Funsubscribe%2FPMRGSZBCHIYTGMZUGUZSYITPOJTSEORCMFSDQOLBGMYGGLLDMMZDGLJUGVSTELJZMMZTMLJZGY2TSNZYMFRDEZLEMIRCYITTNFTSEORCHBRTERDKLE3G46TPKRXVARKKMFYUOSLDMQ2W65COJ43TOZ2QGRSFIZ3YJNGHOZRYKV2VCPJCPU%3D%3D%3D%3D%3D%3D&data=02%7C01%7Cdoug.kenline%40sprint.com%7Cb045dffbe28b4a5b973d08d59b176e49%7C4f8bc0acbd784bf5b55f1b31301d9adf%7C0%7C0%7C636585447296545052&sdata=E4hQuDe9VS%2BgdZ0NrMWCQY2Z3CMNSbSa21d%2FCSJuE24%3D&reserved=0> ________________________________ From: NANOG <nanog-bounces@nanog.org> on behalf of Anurag Bhatia <me@anuragbhatia.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2018 5:31 PM To: Aaron Gould Cc: NANOG Mailing List Subject: Re: CDN-provided caching platforms? Hi Aaron I see the Amazon Prime video streams coming from Amazon Web Services Cloudfront CDN. Unsure of other places. Hard to do a global check on available platforms like say RIPE Atlas. And AWS Cloudfront does has the option of edge locations not connected to their backbone. On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 7:38 AM, Aaron Gould <aaron1@gvtc.com> wrote:
I'm wondering if/when Amazon Prime Video will have a CDN system to roll-out to ISP's like OCA, FNA, GGC, etc
Anyone here anything about Amazon Video or any other big names like that ?
- Aaron
-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of valdis.kletnieks@vt.edu Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 10:23 AM To: Russell Berg Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: CDN-provided caching platforms?
On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 02:26:24 -0000, Russell Berg said:
I was wondering if there are other CDN caching platforms out there we should be researching/deploying?
Does traffic analysis show any other destinations that have enough traffic that caching might help?
-- Anurag Bhatia anuragbhatia.com
Thanks Doug, Kentik sounds familiar, I think I've spoken with them at a conference once or twice... a quick like at their website reminds me that they focus on ddos and understanding traffic better... not sure how this applies to the thread originated by Russell. -Aaron
On Fri 2018-Apr-06 09:46:42 -0500, Aaron Gould <aaron1@gvtc.com> wrote:
Thanks Doug, Kentik sounds familiar, I think I've spoken with them at a conference once or twice... a quick like at their website reminds me that they focus on ddos and understanding traffic better... not sure how this applies to the thread originated by Russell.
* Use Kentik (or other netflow/visibility tools) to identify your top traffic sources * focus effort on those to work out if you can peer with them or get caching appliances from them * profit -- Hugo Slabbert | email, xmpp/jabber: hugo@slabnet.com pgp key: B178313E | also on Signal
AS-stats works well for this and its free... Erich Kaiser The Fusion Network erich@gotfusion.net Office: 815-570-3101 On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 11:18 AM, Hugo Slabbert <hugo@slabnet.com> wrote:
On Fri 2018-Apr-06 09:46:42 -0500, Aaron Gould <aaron1@gvtc.com> wrote:
Thanks Doug, Kentik sounds familiar, I think I've spoken with them at a
conference once or twice... a quick like at their website reminds me that they focus on ddos and understanding traffic better... not sure how this applies to the thread originated by Russell.
* Use Kentik (or other netflow/visibility tools) to identify your top traffic sources * focus effort on those to work out if you can peer with them or get caching appliances from them * profit
-- Hugo Slabbert | email, xmpp/jabber: hugo@slabnet.com pgp key: B178313E | also on Signal
On Fri 2018-Apr-06 11:25:12 -0500, Kaiser, Erich <erich@gotfusion.net> wrote:
AS-stats works well for this and its free...
+1 Or see the other recent netflow tools thread[1] for inspiration. -- Hugo Slabbert | email, xmpp/jabber: hugo@slabnet.com pgp key: B178313E | also on Signal [1] https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2018-March/094490.html
Thanks Anurag, is there anyone on the list from Amazon AWS Cloudfront that can speak to this ? “And AWS Cloudfront does has the option of edge locations not connected to their backbone.“ I’m an ISP and have fb fna, nf oca, ggc, and Akamai aanp, … does Amazon AWS Cloudfront ship servers to locations like mine ? -Aaron
Ericsson UDN https://www.ericsson.com/en/tech-innovation/offerings/udn/service-providers Gerardo -----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Russell Berg Sent: lunes, 26 de marzo de 2018 08:26 p. m. To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: CDN-provided caching platforms? I work for a regional Midwestern US "Tier 2" ISP that provides both wholesale and enterprise Internet connectivity. We have caching platforms in place from the likes of Akamai, Google, Netflix, and Facebook; I was wondering if there are other CDN caching platforms out there we should be researching/deploying? PM me if more appropriate... TIA Russ Russell Berg Chief Technology Officer WIN / Airstream Communications (AS 11796) P: 715-832-3726 | C: 715-579-8227 www.wins.net<http://www.wins.net/> ________________________________ NOTA: La información de este correo es de propiedad exclusiva y confidencial. Este mensaje es sólo para el destinatario señalado, si usted no lo es, destrúyalo de inmediato. Ninguna información aquí contenida debe ser entendida como dada o avalada por AXTEL, S.A.B. de C.V, sus subsidiarias o sus empleados, salvo cuando ello expresamente se indique. Es responsabilidad de quien recibe este correo de asegurarse que esté libre de virus, por lo tanto ni AXTEL, S.A.B. de C.V, sus subsidiarias ni sus empleados aceptan responsabilidad alguna. NOTE: The information in this email is proprietary and confidential. This message is for the designated recipient only, if you are not the intended recipient, you should destroy it immediately. Any information in this message shall not be understood as given or endorsed by AXTEL, S.A.B. de C.V, its subsidiaries or their employees, unless expressly so stated. It is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that this email is virus free, therefore neither AXTEL, S.A.B. de C.V, its subsidiaries nor their employees accept any responsibility.
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