-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - -- "Suresh Ramasubramanian" <ops.lists@gmail.com> wrote:

On Jan 11, 2008 1:17 AM, Rob Thomas <robt@cymru.com> wrote:

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I'll second this point. We've had great luck working with providers globally, but only after folks (such as Sean) took us under their wing and mentored us on the processes and setups that best help ISPs. That alone would make a great *NOG presentation.

Setups that best help *ISPs*? The fun part is that there's this fundamental disconnect even within ISPs .. their CERT guys or security guys go talk to each other, their abuse desks go talk to each other, their packet pushers go talk to each other .. at nspsec/gadicon/whatever, at MAAWG, at *NOG ..

There's little or no cross pollination between these groups, if at all. It is this kind of gap that needs to be bridged, just as much as the gaps between ISPs and LE, ISPs and the anti phishing community (banks etc, + the takedown vendor crowd), ISPs and the security community etc etc needs bridging.

Thanks, Suresh. I think you hit the nail on the head with regards to some of the frustrations being experienced in this area. - - ferg -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Desktop 9.6.3 (Build 3017) wj8DBQFHhtJ/q1pz9mNUZTMRAlChAJ9fDiHIMse7DZ5qovd8HuDdST1bFACgiVxG tSx+KeSbzqoAOueRzX4JCNQ= =QvO0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(at)netzero.net ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/