No offense to all, but you are ALL wasting your time trying to convince Dean through logic on this topic. We've all been round and round the same discussions on the anti-spam mailing lists, and Dean continues to insist that he MUST run open relays. Dean appears to be completely impervious to logic, so don't waste your time sending it his way. :) D At 04:07 PM 11/22/99 -0600, Joe Shaw wrote:
What "legitimate business purposes" necessitate leaving SMTP relays open to the world? While I think spammers shouldn't be spamming, I think you'd find it better to do what you can to stop them from spamming via means you control, i.e. your servers, as opposed to going through the FBI.
The FBI has recently stated that their computer crimes people are entirely overworked and way behind. So, while they will look into the matter, my previous experience with the FBI and computer crime shows a decided lack of interest in crimes that don't involve a high dollar figure for damages or stolen goods/services except for the purposes of profiling attacks and doing trend analysis. Unless you're looking at a six figure loss, you probably won't get far.
Your best bet is to find a solution to restrict access to your relays.
-- Joseph W. Shaw - jshaw@insync.net Free UNIX advocate - "I hack, therefore I am."
On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Dean Anderson wrote:
These are coming from Mass, Cleveland, Ohio, and Virginia.
We use our relays for legitimate business purposes. They are not
"accidentally left open".
--Dean
On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Derek J. Balling wrote:
No offense to all, but you are ALL wasting your time trying to convince Dean through logic on this topic. We've all been round and round the same discussions on the anti-spam mailing lists, and Dean continues to insist that he MUST run open relays.
Marvellous! We've got a load of customers who seem to refuse to use their ISP's relays when sending mail, and because we're a hosting company and not an IAP we obviously can't let them use ours without jumping through hoops (a la pop3/smtp, or constructing an ACL of every ISP they might happen to use...erm...yeh, maybe I won't do that then). Dean, can I have a list of your open relays? We'll whack in an RR that suggests they're ours (not in the headers, of course), and point our customers at those! You're a lifesaver! -- Patrick Evans - Sysadmin, bran addict and couch potato pre at pre dot org www.pre.org/pre
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