I'd venture to say that this is the result of the following phenomena: Block all APNIC and RIPE assigned networks at the border and all of the sudden, hack attempts and CC fraud disappear. It's fan-%^&#ing-tasticly simple to do and so very effective.
From: "Igor V. Vorontsov" <iv@akcecc.net> To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: ICQ & AOL Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:35:10 +0300 (EEST)
Hello colleque,
Sorry my English.
If engeneers from AOL or ICQ is present here...
Many pople from Russia and Ukraine can't connect to your service. Your engeeners was closed many networks from Russia and Ukraine. But why? Many people from our country was usable service ICQ, but now this service is closed for them.
Please open for your service our networks and resolve this problem. One of them - network 193.227.207.0/24
Igor V. Vorontsov IV144-RIPE
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So pretty much, you wish to create many different Internet 'islands' by isolating networks that are assigned address space from APNIC and RIPE? By doing so you threaten e-commerce and the businesses of many who receive their international customers via the Internet and yet this is effective. As communication overseas advances in the physical world, you'd further hinder the advancement of the Internet, give ISP's no other choice than cutting their many trans-Atlantic fiber links, and those who wish to keep their links up have to rely on the other side to not be angered and pull the plug on their side, yet this is effective. Take a look at Attrition.org's defacement archive, the majority of the defacers are from the United States, and a lesser crowd from APNIC/RIPE networks, I can't speak on credit card fraud, but should we in turn go around segregating the ARIN networks due to internal misuse, would that be 'effective' to you? On Thu, 27 Apr 2000, Universal Rundle wrote:
I'd venture to say that this is the result of the following phenomena:
Block all APNIC and RIPE assigned networks at the border and all of the sudden, hack attempts and CC fraud disappear.
It's fan-%^&#ing-tasticly simple to do and so very effective.
From: "Igor V. Vorontsov" <iv@akcecc.net> To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: ICQ & AOL Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:35:10 +0300 (EEST)
Hello colleque,
Sorry my English.
If engeneers from AOL or ICQ is present here...
Many pople from Russia and Ukraine can't connect to your service. Your engeeners was closed many networks from Russia and Ukraine. But why? Many people from our country was usable service ICQ, but now this service is closed for them.
Please open for your service our networks and resolve this problem. One of them - network 193.227.207.0/24
Igor V. Vorontsov IV144-RIPE
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Not too far off. Many dot-com's routinely block *.edu. After all, neither students or teachers, in the US, have money to buy things with and CS students are the worst kind of script-kiddee. <grin> [students are always broke and teachers are chronically under-paid]
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Adam Rothschild Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 9:23 AM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: ICQ & AOL
On Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 11:06:13AM -0400, Omachonu Ogali wrote:
So pretty much, you wish to create many different Internet 'islands' by isolating networks that are assigned address space from APNIC and RIPE?
I think it was intended as sarcasm. :-)
-a
I can't believe all the hate-mail I just got for this. I must have hit a real nerve. It was a sarcastic comment, folks in EDU are seriously humor impaired. Doesn't anyone know what <grin>s are anymore? What I meant was that blocking entire RIR block is the same as blocking entire TLDs, equally counter-productive. It may be effective, but it is also tossing out babies with the bathwater. Cutting your Internet feed is equally effective. I don't think that anyone here will do that in the near-future. Even blocking large SLDs is questionable.
Roeland Meyer (E-mail) Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 10:17 AM
Not too far off. Many dot-com's routinely block *.edu. After all, neither students or teachers, in the US, have money to buy things with and CS students are the worst kind of script-kiddee. <grin>
[students are always broke and teachers are chronically under-paid]
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Adam Rothschild Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 9:23 AM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: ICQ & AOL
On Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 11:06:13AM -0400, Omachonu Ogali wrote:
So pretty much, you wish to create many different Internet 'islands' by isolating networks that are assigned address space from APNIC and RIPE?
I think it was intended as sarcasm. :-)
-a
What I meant was that blocking entire RIR block is the same as blocking entire TLDs, equally counter-productive. It may be effective, but it is also tossing out babies with the bathwater. Cutting your Internet feed is equally effective. I don't think that anyone here will do that in the near-future.
Some of us do it all the time. Air-gaps are good things to have in the tool box.
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Adam Rothschild -
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Universal Rundle