unsure if this is allowed or not, but, here goes. https://www.gofundme.com/f/ed-hew-medical-expenses some of you may remember ed. some, maybe not. but, as the uucp maps maintainer for canada, he was quite influential in the rise of email, and to some degree, the internet, in canada. --jim -- Jim Mercer Reptilian Research jim@reptiles.org +1 416 410-5633 Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!" -- Hunter S. Thompson
So often we report here on nanog the passing of major Internet contributors, it seems even more fitting that we support these contributors when they’re in need through no fault of their own. Thanks for posting this, Jim. -mel
On Jan 25, 2021, at 8:40 AM, Jim Mercer <jim@reptiles.org> wrote:
unsure if this is allowed or not, but, here goes.
https://www.gofundme.com/f/ed-hew-medical-expenses
some of you may remember ed.
some, maybe not.
but, as the uucp maps maintainer for canada, he was quite influential in the rise of email, and to some degree, the internet, in canada.
--jim
-- Jim Mercer Reptilian Research jim@reptiles.org +1 416 410-5633
Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!" -- Hunter S. Thompson
unrelated, but, David Tilbrook, an early Unix pioneer, passed away a week or so ago. due to COVID. https://leahneukirchen.org/blog/archive/2021/01/remembering-the-work-of-davi... --jim On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 04:59:27PM +0000, Mel Beckman wrote:
So often we report here on nanog the passing of major Internet contributors, it seems even more fitting that we support these contributors when they???re in need through no fault of their own. Thanks for posting this, Jim.
-mel
On Jan 25, 2021, at 8:40 AM, Jim Mercer <jim@reptiles.org> wrote:
??? unsure if this is allowed or not, but, here goes.
https://www.gofundme.com/f/ed-hew-medical-expenses
some of you may remember ed.
some, maybe not.
but, as the uucp maps maintainer for canada, he was quite influential in the rise of email, and to some degree, the internet, in canada.
--jim
-- Jim Mercer Reptilian Research jim@reptiles.org +1 416 410-5633
Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!" -- Hunter S. Thompson
-- Jim Mercer Reptilian Research jim@reptiles.org +1 416 410-5633 Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!" -- Hunter S. Thompson
Let me say a few words about David Tilbrook. Unlike the author of that very nice linked article below I knew David quite well. I co-chaired a couple of Usenix conferences with him and even flew to Toronto for his daughter's bat mitzvah (umm, because he invited me), etc. He was very smart, he'd spent years at the CS dept at CMU and on other projects. Ron Baecker (CMU prof) credits David's student work as fundamental to his 2005 SIGCHI award. His focus was always on how do we make complex problems (in software engineering) simpler and easier to understand and manage? This short article credits him with the quip: "Whenever faced with a problem, some people say `Lets use _____.' Now, they have two problems." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5187686 He was very funny and very likeable. I remember when we drew quite a participatory crowd at a San Francisco Hilton Usenix conference (about 3,000 attendees) by starting a penny-pitching contest -- toss pennies or other coins towards a wall from some distance, whoever is closest to the wall in each round keeps them all. It got quite out of hand but was a typical Tilbrook "well, we might as well have some fun!" Indeed, David, we might as well have some fun. On January 25, 2021 at 12:12 jim@reptiles.org (Jim Mercer) wrote:
unrelated, but, David Tilbrook, an early Unix pioneer, passed away a week or so ago. due to COVID.
https://leahneukirchen.org/blog/archive/2021/01/remembering-the-work-of-davi...
--jim
On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 04:59:27PM +0000, Mel Beckman wrote:
So often we report here on nanog the passing of major Internet contributors, it seems even more fitting that we support these contributors when they???re in need through no fault of their own. Thanks for posting this, Jim.
-mel
On Jan 25, 2021, at 8:40 AM, Jim Mercer <jim@reptiles.org> wrote:
??? unsure if this is allowed or not, but, here goes.
https://www.gofundme.com/f/ed-hew-medical-expenses
some of you may remember ed.
some, maybe not.
but, as the uucp maps maintainer for canada, he was quite influential in the rise of email, and to some degree, the internet, in canada.
--jim
-- Jim Mercer Reptilian Research jim@reptiles.org +1 416 410-5633
Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!" -- Hunter S. Thompson
-- Jim Mercer Reptilian Research jim@reptiles.org +1 416 410-5633
Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!" -- Hunter S. Thompson
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On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 8:40 AM Jim Mercer <jim@reptiles.org> wrote:
unsure if this is allowed or not, but, here goes.
Hi Jim, This is a lie. If you weren't sure, you'd have asked if it was ok to do the thing without actually doing the thing. That you went ahead and did it says you were pretty sure it was against the rules and figured you could get away with it. You may be right but the lie compounds the offense. I'm sorry to hear about Ed. Nevertheless, a lot of us are getting on in age and health and the Internet doesn't need another mailing list about how sad it is to grow old. May I suggest: spend a line in your signature block on the off-topic things you want folks on this group to know. And then attach it only to messages which are on topic. Regards, Bill Herrin
Bill, So, we can only mention in this forum the actual death of Internet pioneers, such as Mark Crispin, Jon Postel, and Jeanette Symons? What if the person’s health is tied to a major infrastructure component, such as http://www.registry.ca? No? Not a valid “operational” case? Your position seems to be "let us nip this in sad news the bud, before it spreads". Because, I guess, there are literally millions of selfless Internet pioneers, and we don’t want NANOG to be flooded with their memories, or at least their pleas for modest assistance as a token of appreciation for their lifetime of contribution. “NANOG owes them nothing!”, you didn’t say, but I heard. -mel On Jan 25, 2021, at 9:23 AM, William Herrin <bill@herrin.us<mailto:bill@herrin.us>> wrote: On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 8:40 AM Jim Mercer <jim@reptiles.org<mailto:jim@reptiles.org>> wrote: unsure if this is allowed or not, but, here goes. Hi Jim, This is a lie. If you weren't sure, you'd have asked if it was ok to do the thing without actually doing the thing. That you went ahead and did it says you were pretty sure it was against the rules and figured you could get away with it. You may be right but the lie compounds the offense. I'm sorry to hear about Ed. Nevertheless, a lot of us are getting on in age and health and the Internet doesn't need another mailing list about how sad it is to grow old. May I suggest: spend a line in your signature block on the off-topic things you want folks on this group to know. And then attach it only to messages which are on topic. Regards, Bill Herrin
Guys, let's maybe turn the temperature down a bit. On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 1:04 PM Mel Beckman <mel@beckman.org> wrote:
Bill,
So, we can only mention in this forum the actual death of Internet pioneers, such as Mark Crispin, Jon Postel, and Jeanette Symons?
What if the person’s health is tied to a major infrastructure component, such as http://www.registry.ca? No? Not a valid “operational” case?
Your position seems to be "let us nip this in sad news the bud, before it spreads". Because, I guess, there are literally millions of selfless Internet pioneers, and we don’t want NANOG to be flooded with their memories, or at least their pleas for modest assistance as a token of appreciation for their lifetime of contribution.
“NANOG owes them nothing!”, you didn’t say, but I heard.
-mel
On Jan 25, 2021, at 9:23 AM, William Herrin <bill@herrin.us> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 8:40 AM Jim Mercer <jim@reptiles.org> wrote:
unsure if this is allowed or not, but, here goes.
Hi Jim,
This is a lie. If you weren't sure, you'd have asked if it was ok to do the thing without actually doing the thing. That you went ahead and did it says you were pretty sure it was against the rules and figured you could get away with it. You may be right but the lie compounds the offense.
I'm sorry to hear about Ed. Nevertheless, a lot of us are getting on in age and health and the Internet doesn't need another mailing list about how sad it is to grow old.
May I suggest: spend a line in your signature block on the off-topic things you want folks on this group to know. And then attach it only to messages which are on topic.
Regards, Bill Herrin
Tom, I think it’s fair to defend good and decent ideas on NANOG. In my opinion, it’s a good and decent idea that we spend a tiny amount of bandwidth acknowledging Internet pioneers and helping them as they encounter unexpected adversity. Jim’s posting of Ed Hew’s GoFundMe is just such a good and decent idea. I think Jim for it. Not all of us are blessed with well-paying jobs and benefits at Fortune 500 companies. And health crises can strike any of us. There, but for the grace of God, go we all. -mel On Jan 25, 2021, at 10:12 AM, Tom Beecher <beecher@beecher.cc<mailto:beecher@beecher.cc>> wrote: Guys, let's maybe turn the temperature down a bit. On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 1:04 PM Mel Beckman <mel@beckman.org<mailto:mel@beckman.org>> wrote: Bill, So, we can only mention in this forum the actual death of Internet pioneers, such as Mark Crispin, Jon Postel, and Jeanette Symons? What if the person’s health is tied to a major infrastructure component, such as http://www.registry.ca?<http://www.registry.ca/?> No? Not a valid “operational” case? Your position seems to be "let us nip this in sad news the bud, before it spreads". Because, I guess, there are literally millions of selfless Internet pioneers, and we don’t want NANOG to be flooded with their memories, or at least their pleas for modest assistance as a token of appreciation for their lifetime of contribution. “NANOG owes them nothing!”, you didn’t say, but I heard. -mel On Jan 25, 2021, at 9:23 AM, William Herrin <bill@herrin.us<mailto:bill@herrin.us>> wrote: On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 8:40 AM Jim Mercer <jim@reptiles.org<mailto:jim@reptiles.org>> wrote: unsure if this is allowed or not, but, here goes. Hi Jim, This is a lie. If you weren't sure, you'd have asked if it was ok to do the thing without actually doing the thing. That you went ahead and did it says you were pretty sure it was against the rules and figured you could get away with it. You may be right but the lie compounds the offense. I'm sorry to hear about Ed. Nevertheless, a lot of us are getting on in age and health and the Internet doesn't need another mailing list about how sad it is to grow old. May I suggest: spend a line in your signature block on the off-topic things you want folks on this group to know. And then attach it only to messages which are on topic. Regards, Bill Herrin
I personally have no issue with the OP, or the idea of recognizing the work of those who have come before. I just don't want to see this devolve into a pissing match that ends up requiring a rule to be created about such things. On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 1:31 PM Mel Beckman <mel@beckman.org> wrote:
Tom,
I think it’s fair to defend good and decent ideas on NANOG.
In my opinion, it’s a good and decent idea that we spend a tiny amount of bandwidth acknowledging Internet pioneers and helping them as they encounter unexpected adversity. Jim’s posting of Ed Hew’s GoFundMe is just such a good and decent idea. I think Jim for it.
Not all of us are blessed with well-paying jobs and benefits at Fortune 500 companies. And health crises can strike any of us.
There, but for the grace of God, go we all.
-mel
On Jan 25, 2021, at 10:12 AM, Tom Beecher <beecher@beecher.cc> wrote:
Guys, let's maybe turn the temperature down a bit.
On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 1:04 PM Mel Beckman <mel@beckman.org> wrote:
Bill,
So, we can only mention in this forum the actual death of Internet pioneers, such as Mark Crispin, Jon Postel, and Jeanette Symons?
What if the person’s health is tied to a major infrastructure component, such as http://www.registry.ca? <http://www.registry.ca/?> No? Not a valid “operational” case?
Your position seems to be "let us nip this in sad news the bud, before it spreads". Because, I guess, there are literally millions of selfless Internet pioneers, and we don’t want NANOG to be flooded with their memories, or at least their pleas for modest assistance as a token of appreciation for their lifetime of contribution.
“NANOG owes them nothing!”, you didn’t say, but I heard.
-mel
On Jan 25, 2021, at 9:23 AM, William Herrin <bill@herrin.us> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 8:40 AM Jim Mercer <jim@reptiles.org> wrote:
unsure if this is allowed or not, but, here goes.
Hi Jim,
This is a lie. If you weren't sure, you'd have asked if it was ok to do the thing without actually doing the thing. That you went ahead and did it says you were pretty sure it was against the rules and figured you could get away with it. You may be right but the lie compounds the offense.
I'm sorry to hear about Ed. Nevertheless, a lot of us are getting on in age and health and the Internet doesn't need another mailing list about how sad it is to grow old.
May I suggest: spend a line in your signature block on the off-topic things you want folks on this group to know. And then attach it only to messages which are on topic.
Regards, Bill Herrin
On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 01:41:35PM -0500, Tom Beecher wrote:
I just don't want to see this devolve into a pissing match that ends up requiring a rule to be created about such things.
if we created rules for everything on this list that turned into a pissing match, we would have a lot of rules. :-) that being said, it was not my intent to start a deluge of requests for money, or in memorial posts. and, even if it did, those threads would soon die off, as with all the other threads. --jim -- Jim Mercer Reptilian Research jim@reptiles.org +1 416 410-5633 Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!" -- Hunter S. Thompson
On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 09:23:11AM -0800, William Herrin wrote:
On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 8:40 AM Jim Mercer <jim@reptiles.org> wrote:
unsure if this is allowed or not, but, here goes.
This is a lie.
there are a myriad of lists focused on free speech issues, and domestic and international politics of all kinds. how relative those are to the NANOG focus is pretty much up in the air. there have been any number of threads, short, or overly long about the deaths of contributors, so, i don't feel the least bit guilty for starting this one about someone not quite there. to each his own. --jim -- Jim Mercer Reptilian Research jim@reptiles.org +1 416 410-5633 Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!" -- Hunter S. Thompson
On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 10:08 AM Jim Mercer <jim@reptiles.org> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 09:23:11AM -0800, William Herrin wrote:
On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 8:40 AM Jim Mercer <jim@reptiles.org> wrote:
unsure if this is allowed or not, but, here goes.
This is a lie.
there have been any number of threads, short, or overly long about the deaths of contributors, so, i don't feel the least bit guilty for starting this one about someone not quite there.
And I generally don't complain. It's not as if every one of my posts has been flawlessly on topic. But when I do deliberately break the rules, I try not to prefix it by pretending otherwise. And you're not reporting on Ed's passing, you're making a money pitch on an ends-justify-the-means basis. Regards, Bill Herrin
----- On Jan 25, 2021, at 8:37 AM, Jim Mercer jim@reptiles.org wrote: Hi,
Just a headsup for those outside of Canada. My transaction was processed in CAD instead of USD. Not that I care as amex doesn't charge foreign fees on my card, but if you have a choice of creditcards, pick the right one. Thanks, Sabri
On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 10:04:02AM -0800, Sabri Berisha wrote:
----- On Jan 25, 2021, at 8:37 AM, Jim Mercer jim@reptiles.org wrote:
Just a headsup for those outside of Canada. My transaction was processed in CAD instead of USD. Not that I care as amex doesn't charge foreign fees on my card, but if you have a choice of creditcards, pick the right one.
i could be wrong, but i think gofundme selects the currency based on who sets up the fund, which in my case, is canada. --jim -- Jim Mercer Reptilian Research jim@reptiles.org +1 416 410-5633 Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!" -- Hunter S. Thompson
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