It is my uinderstanding that we should use what really works for the individual.. Just because certain individuals OVERUSE Visio for various reasons, I feel that the usage of the best tool to fit the situation is perfectly acceptable. In the end, the printout will still look the same right?? If people want to update the diagram, I feel if you are the source of this diagram then unless you specifically delegate control to someone all revisions should come from or be made by you.. I personally think Visio is way too complex and over done.. Microsoft makes it complicated so that they can not only make money on the purchase of the license, but also rake in the $ from potentially unnecessary training due to the complexity that they have built into the nature of the application.. IE: Microsoft: lets make it so everyone could have a use for it, and lets make it so complicated that we can recover on the training aspect.. It's the Micro$oft Way, rather than fight it, just sitback and be assimiliated. Sounds like a startrek thing.. ;) Although, on the flipside, Microsoft does have it's place in the community, most of their applications seem to help increase productivity and seem to be researched and developed pretty deeply.. Bottom line is, Time and place for everything. Thanks 4 ur time and attention, all the best, e. -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of William Herrin Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 5:11 PM To: Stephen Fulton Cc: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: OT: Visio or Autocad On 10/10/07, Stephen Fulton <sf@lists.esoteric.ca> wrote:

Is anyone using Autocad for network design? What are your thoughts?

Stephen, I still use Corel Draw 3 for my network diagrams, so its not unheard of to use something other than Visio. The main benefit to Visio comes when -someone else- needs to make an update to your network diagram. They probably have access to a copy of Visio and enough knowledge about using it to make a minor tweak to your diagram. The same can't be said of Autocad. Or Corel Draw. Regards, Bill Herrin -- William D. Herrin herrin@dirtside.com bill@herrin.us 3005 Crane Dr. Web: <http://bill.herrin.us/> Falls Church, VA 22042-3004