My mistake, the RA is hot as or today at the Mix. I was just corrected off list. ----- Actually Bellsouth is hot. I have been to the sites. The fibre is and hot. Im sure there are things like the RA that may not be hot yet if that is what is being referred to. It's a good network with fibre from different carries on diverse routes. The interesting prospect I think is that since they have nodes in locations like W. Palm Beach and Ft. Lauderdale (not just miami) your local loop from these areas would be significantly cheaper than running to that other NAP in Miami. This may be attractive for carriers or backbones in that area. The Mix nodes are also located at locations like transoceanic fibre nodes. Since it's a layer 1 network also, geeez maybe it's good for cheap transport. I think the NOTA building that was built was built well. 32ft is not bad for florida at all. It seems like a fine colo with one concern, it's in an evacation area. Which means u need to have key people there before the storm restrictions kick in or they arent getting there. As we know, no one gets rich building a nap, this is model plans on making money from colo space which is also tough right now. The other model is a, hey we dont care where u are at, use us for peering and hmmm we can do wave service and local loops and whatever else you can come up with for a dwdm/optical switched core network. It is going to be interesting to see how both naps evolve and develop differentiating services. One negative with the mix-nap is that they used blue and orange colors, Univ of Florida, for their tshirts. What an insult :-) dave At 4:10 PM -0400 6/28/01, Daniel Golding wrote:
AFAIK, the Bellsouth MIX is a long way from operation.
- Daniel Golding
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Mark Borchers Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 3:45 PM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: RE: New NAP Opening in Miami this week
Two, actually. Refer to http://www.nanog.org/mtg-0102/florida.html <http://www.nanog.org/mtg-0102/florida.html>
-----Original Message----- From: Larry Diffey [mailto:ldiffey@technologyforward.com] Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 2:41 PM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: New NAP Opening in Miami this week
According to this story <http://www.zdnet.com/intweek/stories/news/0,4164,2779717,00.html> on zdnet, there is a large NAP opening this week in Miami. This NAP will primarily be used to pipe traffic to and from Latin and South America.
The facility is a whopping 32 feet above sea level!
Hey gang, perhaps I can add a little value to this conversation. Dave Diaz's is indeed correct, and Dan Golding ought to check his sources. What's the status? In terms of core infrastructure, all 4 nodes are up and operational. Yes, we are taking orders. Merit is installing RA software today, there was a delay with the agreement between Merit and us. Last info I have is that the plan is to have public peering available in about a week or thereabouts. What else would you like to know? Where can you get more info? I'm told that info@bellsouthmix.com or 1.866.554.6554 is a good place to go for further info (and check the website, too). Please let me know if there's something glaringly missing. You can also contact me directly with any questions you may have and I'll try to answer them or find somebody who can. I think there's still quite a bit of confusion about services offered thru the MIX. And there's a on-going effort to try to compare the MIX to NOTA as an apples to apples comparison. Well, it's really not that simple. Sorry. Go ahead, and blame us engineers for trying to come up with something cool, different, and innovative. ;-) Cheers, Chris -- Christian Kuhtz <ck@arch.bellsouth.net> -wk, <ck@gnu.org> -hm Sr. Architect, Engineering & Architecture, BellSouth.net, Atlanta, GA, U.S. "I speak for myself only."" On Thu, Jun 28, 2001 at 04:53:50PM -0400, David S. Diaz wrote:
My mistake, the RA is hot as or today at the Mix. I was just corrected off list.
----- Actually Bellsouth is hot. I have been to the sites. The fibre is and hot. Im sure there are things like the RA that may not be hot yet if that is what is being referred to. It's a good network with fibre from different carries on diverse routes. The interesting prospect I think is that since they have nodes in locations like W. Palm Beach and Ft. Lauderdale (not just miami) your local loop from these areas would be significantly cheaper than running to that other NAP in Miami. This may be attractive for carriers or backbones in that area. The Mix nodes are also located at locations like transoceanic fibre nodes. Since it's a layer 1 network also, geeez maybe it's good for cheap transport.
I think the NOTA building that was built was built well. 32ft is not bad for florida at all. It seems like a fine colo with one concern, it's in an evacation area. Which means u need to have key people there before the storm restrictions kick in or they arent getting there. As we know, no one gets rich building a nap, this is model plans on making money from colo space which is also tough right now. The other model is a, hey we dont care where u are at, use us for peering and hmmm we can do wave service and local loops and whatever else you can come up with for a dwdm/optical switched core network.
It is going to be interesting to see how both naps evolve and develop differentiating services.
One negative with the mix-nap is that they used blue and orange colors, Univ of Florida, for their tshirts. What an insult :-)
dave
At 4:10 PM -0400 6/28/01, Daniel Golding wrote:
AFAIK, the Bellsouth MIX is a long way from operation.
- Daniel Golding
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Mark Borchers Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 3:45 PM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: RE: New NAP Opening in Miami this week
Two, actually. Refer to http://www.nanog.org/mtg-0102/florida.html <http://www.nanog.org/mtg-0102/florida.html>
-----Original Message----- From: Larry Diffey [mailto:ldiffey@technologyforward.com] Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 2:41 PM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: New NAP Opening in Miami this week
According to this story <http://www.zdnet.com/intweek/stories/news/0,4164,2779717,00.html> on zdnet, there is a large NAP opening this week in Miami. This NAP will primarily be used to pipe traffic to and from Latin and South America.
The facility is a whopping 32 feet above sea level!
-- Christian Kuhtz <ck@arch.bellsouth.net> -wk, <ck@gnu.org> -hm Sr. Architect, Engineering & Architecture, BellSouth.net, Atlanta, GA, U.S. "I speak for myself only.""
Apologies if my information was incorrect. My latest info was that Bellsouth was not yet operational for peering, just for Layer 1 crossconnects. Is this so? - Daniel Golding
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Christian Kuhtz Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 5:48 PM To: David S. Diaz Cc: Mark Borchers; nanog@merit.edu Subject: MIX status (Re: New NAP Opening in Miami this week)
Hey gang,
perhaps I can add a little value to this conversation. Dave Diaz's is indeed correct, and Dan Golding ought to check his sources.
What's the status?
In terms of core infrastructure, all 4 nodes are up and operational. Yes, we are taking orders.
Merit is installing RA software today, there was a delay with the agreement between Merit and us. Last info I have is that the plan is to have public peering available in about a week or thereabouts.
What else would you like to know?
Where can you get more info?
I'm told that info@bellsouthmix.com or 1.866.554.6554 is a good place to go for further info (and check the website, too). Please let me know if there's something glaringly missing.
You can also contact me directly with any questions you may have and I'll try to answer them or find somebody who can.
I think there's still quite a bit of confusion about services offered thru the MIX. And there's a on-going effort to try to compare the MIX to NOTA as an apples to apples comparison.
Well, it's really not that simple. Sorry.
Go ahead, and blame us engineers for trying to come up with something cool, different, and innovative. ;-)
Cheers, Chris
-- Christian Kuhtz <ck@arch.bellsouth.net> -wk, <ck@gnu.org> -hm Sr. Architect, Engineering & Architecture, BellSouth.net, Atlanta, GA, U.S. "I speak for myself only.""
On Thu, Jun 28, 2001 at 04:53:50PM -0400, David S. Diaz wrote:
My mistake, the RA is hot as or today at the Mix. I was just corrected off list.
----- Actually Bellsouth is hot. I have been to the sites. The fibre is and hot. Im sure there are things like the RA that may not be hot yet if that is what is being referred to. It's a good network with fibre from different carries on diverse routes. The interesting prospect I think is that since they have nodes in locations like W. Palm Beach and Ft. Lauderdale (not just miami) your local loop from these areas would be significantly cheaper than running to that other NAP in Miami. This may be attractive for carriers or backbones in that area. The Mix nodes are also located at locations like transoceanic fibre nodes. Since it's a layer 1 network also, geeez maybe it's good for cheap transport.
I think the NOTA building that was built was built well. 32ft is not bad for florida at all. It seems like a fine colo with one concern, it's in an evacation area. Which means u need to have key people there before the storm restrictions kick in or they arent getting there. As we know, no one gets rich building a nap, this is model plans on making money from colo space which is also tough right now. The other model is a, hey we dont care where u are at, use us for peering and hmmm we can do wave service and local loops and whatever else you can come up with for a dwdm/optical switched core network.
It is going to be interesting to see how both naps evolve and develop differentiating services.
One negative with the mix-nap is that they used blue and orange colors, Univ of Florida, for their tshirts. What an insult :-)
dave
At 4:10 PM -0400 6/28/01, Daniel Golding wrote:
AFAIK, the Bellsouth MIX is a long way from operation.
- Daniel Golding
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu
[mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of
Mark Borchers Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 3:45 PM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: RE: New NAP Opening in Miami this week
Two, actually. Refer to http://www.nanog.org/mtg-0102/florida.html <http://www.nanog.org/mtg-0102/florida.html>
-----Original Message----- From: Larry Diffey [mailto:ldiffey@technologyforward.com] Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 2:41 PM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: New NAP Opening in Miami this week
According to this story <http://www.zdnet.com/intweek/stories/news/0,4164,2779717,00.html> on zdnet, there is a large NAP opening this week in Miami. This NAP will primarily be used to pipe traffic to and from Latin and South America.
The facility is a whopping 32 feet above sea level!
-- Christian Kuhtz <ck@arch.bellsouth.net> -wk, <ck@gnu.org> -hm Sr. Architect, Engineering & Architecture, BellSouth.net, Atlanta, GA, U.S. "I speak for myself only.""
On Thu, Jun 28, 2001 at 06:35:46PM -0400, Daniel Golding wrote:
Apologies if my information was incorrect. My latest info was that Bellsouth was not yet operational for peering, just for Layer 1 crossconnects. Is this so?
What's the difference? ;) And hey, what's a layer-N cross-connect, where N != 1? --msa
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