Everyone has a resilient network until they don't. 😊 ________________________________ From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+rod.beck=unitedcablecompany.com@nanog.org> on behalf of jim deleskie <deleskie@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 8:07 PM To: J Cc: NANOG list Subject: Re: Bell outage Single fiber cut causes the much impact? -jim On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 2:59 PM, J <nanog@namor.ca> wrote:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/much-of- atlantic-canada-loses-cellphone-service-in-widespread-outage/ article35881182/

Apparently some fiber cut. No word on the exact model of construction equipment, yet, though.

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Does anyone know what is happening with Bell network at East Canada?

http://canadianoutages.com/status/bell/map/ [http://canadianoutages.com/i/logo/bell.png]<http://canadianoutages.com/status/bell/map/>

Bell down? Realtime status and problems overview ...<http://canadianoutages.com/status/bell/map/> canadianoutages.com Bell Canada offers internet, mobile phone and home phone services to individuals and businesses. Internet is delivered through DSL or fiber technology.

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We have multiple redundant backup paths in case of a cut. The backup paths run about 1 mm away from the primary path in the same cable in the same conduit. ;) On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Nate Metheny <nate@dopedesign.com> wrote:

:s/fiber/conduit

On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 12:11 PM, Rod Beck <rod.beck@unitedcablecompany.com> wrote:

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Everyone has a resilient network until they don't. 😊

________________________________ From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+rod.beck=unitedcablecompany.com@nanog.org> on behalf of jim deleskie <deleskie@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 8:07 PM To: J Cc: NANOG list Subject: Re: Bell outage

Single fiber cut causes the much impact?

-jim

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https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/much-of- atlantic-canada-loses-cellphone-service-in-widespread-outage/ article35881182/

Apparently some fiber cut. No word on the exact model of construction equipment, yet, though.

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Does anyone know what is happening with Bell network at East Canada?

http://canadianoutages.com/status/bell/map/ [http://canadianoutages.com/i/logo/bell.png]<http:// canadianoutages.com/status/bell/map/>

Bell down? Realtime status and problems overview ...< http://canadianoutages.com/status/bell/map/> canadianoutages.com Bell Canada offers internet, mobile phone and home phone services to individuals and businesses. Internet is delivered through DSL or fiber technology.

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Well, Saying they provided you with geographically diverse circuits versus actually doing it, happen way too often. ----- Alain Hebert ahebert@pubnix.net PubNIX Inc. 50 boul. St-Charles P.O. Box 26770 Beaconsfield, Quebec H9W 6G7 Tel: 514-990-5911 http://www.pubnix.net Fax: 514-990-9443 On 08/04/17 14:07, jim deleskie wrote:

Single fiber cut causes the much impact?

-jim

On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 2:59 PM, J <nanog@namor.ca> wrote:

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https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/much-of- atlantic-canada-loses-cellphone-service-in-widespread-outage/ article35881182/

Apparently some fiber cut. No word on the exact model of construction equipment, yet, though.

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Does anyone know what is happening with Bell network at East Canada?

http://canadianoutages.com/status/bell/map/

Krunal

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They can still be incorrect, but KMZs or shapefiles of my route or no deal. Accurate ones too, none of this line running through the middle of a house crap. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Chase" <math@sizone.org> To: "Alain Hebert" <ahebert@pubnix.net> Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 2:07:40 PM Subject: Re: Bell outage And can be hard to know without serious dilligence - two of our upstreams happened to go through the same 360 networks conduit in montreal that "saw significant rodent activity". Both were down for 6 hours. A couple customers had some custom apps that relied on the two, each as redundancy to the other. That didnt work out. Getting salesdroids to give you the info can be very hard though, and even tech dept's may not know what secondary providers their fibres run through or where, readily. /kc On Fri, Aug 04, 2017 at 02:57:22PM -0400, Alain Hebert said:

Well,

Saying they provided you with geographically diverse circuits versus actually doing it, happen way too often.

----- Alain Hebert ahebert@pubnix.net PubNIX Inc. 50 boul. St-Charles P.O. Box 26770 Beaconsfield, Quebec H9W 6G7 Tel: 514-990-5911 http://www.pubnix.net Fax: 514-990-9443

-- Ken Chase - math@sizone.org Guelph Canada

Makes me wonder what the GIS department is like at $BIGCARRIER and how such a workgroup of specialists interfaces with their in house OSP fiber teams (and those responsible for acquiring IRUs, leasing and documenting third party dark, etc). On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 12:07 PM, Ken Chase <math@sizone.org> wrote:

And can be hard to know without serious dilligence - two of our upstreams happened to go through the same 360 networks conduit in montreal that "saw significant rodent activity". Both were down for 6 hours. A couple customers had some custom apps that relied on the two, each as redundancy to the other.

That didnt work out.

Getting salesdroids to give you the info can be very hard though, and even tech dept's may not know what secondary providers their fibres run through or where, readily.

/kc

On Fri, Aug 04, 2017 at 02:57:22PM -0400, Alain Hebert said:

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Well,

Saying they provided you with geographically diverse circuits versus actually doing it, happen way too often.

----- Alain Hebert ahebert@pubnix.net PubNIX Inc. 50 boul. St-Charles P.O. Box 26770 Beaconsfield, Quebec H9W 6G7 Tel: 514-990-5911 http://www.pubnix.net Fax: 514-990-9443

-- Ken Chase - math@sizone.org Guelph Canada

Well, imagine what happens when you have a body of water like Lake Ontario separating the key hubs on each side of the border, 151 Front Street and 350 Main Street. The fiber is probably stacked parallel around the lake and at certain points is collapsed into one right of way. - R. ________________________________ From: NANOG <nanog-bounces@nanog.org> on behalf of Alain Hebert <ahebert@pubnix.net> Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 10:34 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Bell outage Well, We have a case where 2 paths, between 151 front to somewhere in Markham, ended up overlapping 3 times for about 300m total :( And to cap the whole thing off... Enter the building thru the same conduit. You pretty much need to be onsite supervising the whole thing up. And yes their files have the circuits going thru a home, what looks like a gas station, an electrical grids, etc =D. Pretty impressive. PS: As rodent, you mean the punks that fire bomb "that" conduit under "that" bridge, a few years back? ----- Alain Hebert ahebert@pubnix.net PubNIX Inc. 50 boul. St-Charles P.O. Box 26770 Beaconsfield, Quebec H9W 6G7 Tel: 514-990-5911 http://www.pubnix.net Fax: 514-990-9443 PubNIX Inc. – Branché sur le monde – Connected to the World<http://www.pubnix.net/> www.pubnix.net PubNIX is a boutique Internet service provider with personalized service that offers you an alternative to "Big Telco". At PubNIX, we are committed to providing you ... On 08/04/17 15:07, Ken Chase wrote:

And can be hard to know without serious dilligence - two of our upstreams happened to go through the same 360 networks conduit in montreal that "saw significant rodent activity". Both were down for 6 hours. A couple customers had some custom apps that relied on the two, each as redundancy to the other.

That didnt work out.

Getting salesdroids to give you the info can be very hard though, and even tech dept's may not know what secondary providers their fibres run through or where, readily.

/kc

On Fri, Aug 04, 2017 at 02:57:22PM -0400, Alain Hebert said:

...

Well,

Saying they provided you with geographically diverse circuits versus actually doing it, happen way too often.

----- Alain Hebert ahebert@pubnix.net PubNIX Inc. 50 boul. St-Charles P.O. Box 26770 Beaconsfield, Quebec H9W 6G7 Tel: 514-990-5911 http://www.pubnix.net Fax: 514-990-9443 PubNIX Inc. – Branché sur le monde – Connected to the World<http://www.pubnix.net/> www.pubnix.net PubNIX is a boutique Internet service provider with personalized service that offers you an alternative to "Big Telco". At PubNIX, we are committed to providing you ...