Hi Joe, If only those who are approved email senders are allowed to be accepted, this allows police, FBI, or DHS to go after only those who are registered and abusing it. It's for the same purpose that we administer car registrations, so that at the end of the day, someone is responsible for the car. In this case, someone can be responsible for the domain and mail server. In its current state, we are left way in the open. I don't disagree that government control is un-desirable, but remember, at least in my mind, even though it may be undesirable, it may be a necessary action. Anyone know why we have to get a drivers license? How about a passport? What about a SSN? All of these things are ways in which we can have accountability. Without accountability we will remain in anarchy. All that government does is bridge a gap when corporations, which only do things for profit, will not collaborate on an appropriate solution to a problem, even though one exists. LP Best Regards, Larry Larry Pingree "Visionary people, are visionary, partly because of the great many things they never get to see." - Larry Pingree -----Original Message----- From: Joe Hamelin [mailto:nethead@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 5:26 PM To: Larry Pingree Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Unplugging spamming PCs On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 16:40:23 -0700, Larry Pingree <lpingree@juniper.net> wrote:
I agree with you it's a hard problem to solve. But unless there is mandatory cooperation within mail server software (which can be monitored) to interface with a registry of acceptable/registered sites, then this model could work.
I can telnet to a mailserver and send mail to that host without much thought. What good will a registry do? What will solve spam is getting some of these virus writers to actually write some code that will trash disks of poorly patched (if a at all) hosts. Let Darwin take over. -Joe
And all the spammers move to China where the FBI, DHS and police have no authority. Oh wait - you say they already have? ** Reply to message from "Larry Pingree" <lpingree@juniper.net> on Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:17:37 -0700
Hi Joe,
If only those who are approved email senders are allowed to be accepted, this allows police, FBI, or DHS to go after only those who are registered and abusing it. It's for the same purpose that we administer car registrations, so that at the end of the day, someone is responsible for the car. In this case, someone can be responsible for the domain and mail server. In its current state, we are left way in the open. I don't disagree that government control is un-desirable, but remember, at least in my mind, even though it may be undesirable, it may be a necessary action. Anyone know why we have to get a drivers license? How about a passport? What about a SSN? All of these things are ways in which we can have accountability. Without accountability we will remain in anarchy. All that government does is bridge a gap when corporations, which only do things for profit, will not collaborate on an appropriate solution to a problem, even though one exists.
-- Jeff Shultz A railfan pulls up to a RR crossing hoping that there will be a train.
--On Thursday, June 24, 2004 11:17 AM -0700 Larry Pingree <lpingree@juniper.net> wrote:
Hi Joe,
If only those who are approved email senders are allowed to be accepted, this allows police, FBI, or DHS to go after only those who are registered and abusing it. It's for the same purpose that we administer car registrations, so that at the end of the day, someone is responsible for the car. In this case, someone can be responsible for the domain and mail server. In its current state, we are left way in the open. I don't disagree that government control is un-desirable, but remember, at least in my mind, even though it may be undesirable, it may be a necessary action. Anyone know why we have to get a drivers license? How about a passport? What about a SSN? All of these things are ways in which we can have accountability. Without accountability we will remain in anarchy. All that government does is bridge a gap when corporations, which only do things for profit, will not collaborate on an appropriate solution to a problem, even though one exists.
But why stop at email servers? spam is only one of the unsociable and illegal acts happening on the Internet. Why not license ownership of every IP capable device? That'll stop all forms of DoS (DDoS and otherwise too). Just to make sure, let's require that all vendors both inspect the license from their customers *and* notify the government on every purchase or upgrade. Hmm. Which government though? Better to be safe... you can't be sure which country the device is being installed in, or which country the packets flowing through the device will also visit. So let's require licenses from every country... and vendors to notify every government on every purchase or upgrade. Yep, that'll do the trick.
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