You don't mean changing one MAC address in Gigaswitch configuration is a bolder feat than swapping (failed) equipment, do you? Dima Deepak Jain writes:

Problem is that if hardware fails or is swapped out, MAC addresses change.

-Deepak.

On Wed, 30 Oct 1996, Dima Volodin wrote:

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Isn't it possible to filter MAC addresses at Gigaswitches?

Dima

Paul Ferguson writes:

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Apparently people are still missing the point. On a shared media exchange, there is nothing to preclude another entity from pointing default to you even if they are *not* peering with you [a.k.a. bit-dumping].

- paul

At 11:15 AM 10/30/96 -0500, Pritish Shah wrote:

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So far from what I have gathered, everyone is afraid of being used as a transit point. There is a very simple solution available which I can't figure out why people are not using.

Both peers charge each other for the bits being peered. So now if one peer is being used as a transit point, then they get compensated for it.

Eg

AAA BBB 15443621 bits -> 15443621 bits 20000000 bits <- 20000000 bits

Difference 4556379 bits additional sent from BBB to AAA

Applying lets say 1 cent per 100 bit charge, AAA gets $455.64 from BBB

Simple!!!!

Now with this kind of peering arrangement, no one has to be worried about being used as a transit point -- infact they will want to be used as a transit point.

This will also allow medium sized ISPs to peer with each-other.

So here is my question -- why is this kind of arrangement not being used anywhere???

Pritish

If you filtered me by MAC address I could swap cards and get in. Unless you did inclusive filtering, and then if you wanted to peer with me, and I had to swap a card, you couldn't. The gigaswitches do port filtering, I believe that was agreed to be the better choice. I certainly hope it's a choice, at least, right Steve.... :) -alan Dima Volodin said: ] ] You don't mean changing one MAC address in Gigaswitch configuration is a ] bolder feat than swapping (failed) equipment, do you? ] ] ] Dima ] ] Deepak Jain writes: ] > ] > Problem is that if hardware fails or is swapped out, MAC addresses change. ] > ] > -Deepak. ] > ] > On Wed, 30 Oct 1996, Dima Volodin wrote: ] > ] > > Isn't it possible to filter MAC addresses at Gigaswitches? ] > > ] > > ] > > Dima ] > > ] > > Paul Ferguson writes: ] > > > ] > > > Apparently people are still missing the point. On a shared media ] > > > exchange, there is nothing to preclude another entity from pointing ] > > > default to you even if they are *not* peering with you [a.k.a. bit-dumping]. ] > > > ] > > > - paul ] > > > ] > > > ] > > > At 11:15 AM 10/30/96 -0500, Pritish Shah wrote: ] > > > ] > > > > ] > > > >So far from what I have gathered, everyone is afraid of being used as a ] > > > >transit point. There is a very simple solution available which I can't ] > > > >figure out why people are not using. ] > > > > ] > > > >Both peers charge each other for the bits being peered. So now if one ] > > > >peer is being used as a transit point, then they get compensated for it. ] > > > > ] > > > >Eg ] > > > > ] > > > >AAA BBB ] > > > >15443621 bits -> 15443621 bits ] > > > >20000000 bits <- 20000000 bits ] > > > > ] > > > > ] > > > >Difference 4556379 bits additional sent from BBB to AAA ] > > > > ] > > > >Applying lets say 1 cent per 100 bit charge, AAA gets $455.64 from BBB ] > > > > ] > > > >Simple!!!! ] > > > > ] > > > >Now with this kind of peering arrangement, no one has to be worried about ] > > > >being used as a transit point -- infact they will want to be used as a ] > > > >transit point. ] > > > > ] > > > >This will also allow medium sized ISPs to peer with each-other. ] > > > > ] > > > >So here is my question -- why is this kind of arrangement not being used ] > > > >anywhere??? ] > > > > ] > > > >Pritish ] > > > > ] > > > ] > > > ] > > ] > > ] > ] ]

Then you have to actually do something logically. However, I think that this case is the least probable of the three. -alan Dima Volodin said: ] ] Now what if your Gigaswitch port got fried? ] ] ] Dima ] ] Alan Hannan writes: ] > ] > If you filtered me by MAC address I could swap cards and get in. ] > ] > Unless you did inclusive filtering, and then if you wanted to peer ] > with me, and I had to swap a card, you couldn't. ] > ] > The gigaswitches do port filtering, I believe that was agreed to ] > be the better choice. ] > ] > I certainly hope it's a choice, at least, right Steve.... :) ] > ] > -alan ] > ] > Dima Volodin said: ] > ] ] > ] You don't mean changing one MAC address in Gigaswitch configuration is a ] > ] bolder feat than swapping (failed) equipment, do you? ] > ] ] > ] ] > ] Dima ] > ] ] > ] Deepak Jain writes: ] > ] > ] > ] > Problem is that if hardware fails or is swapped out, MAC addresses change. ] > ] > ] > ] > -Deepak. ] > ] > ] > ] > On Wed, 30 Oct 1996, Dima Volodin wrote: ] > ] > ] > ] > > Isn't it possible to filter MAC addresses at Gigaswitches? ] > ] > > ] > ] > > ] > ] > > Dima ] > ] > > ] > ] > > Paul Ferguson writes: ] > ] > > > ] > ] > > > Apparently people are still missing the point. On a shared media ] > ] > > > exchange, there is nothing to preclude another entity from pointing ] > ] > > > default to you even if they are *not* peering with you [a.k.a. bit-dumping]. ] > ] > > > ] > ] > > > - paul ]